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In reply to the discussion: Joe The Plumber To UCSB Parents: 'Your Dead Kids Don't Trump' My Guns [View all]pacalo
(24,857 posts)116. The second amendment has been misconstrued, throwing all common sense to the wind.
NYT opinion on Michael Waldman's just-released book, "The Second Amendment":

Why are we, as a society, willing to put up with mass shootings as the price we must pay for the right to carry a gun?
The Second Amendment begins, A well-regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, and thats where Waldman, the president of the Brennan Center for Justice at the New York University School of Law, begins, too. He has gone back into the framers original arguments and made two essential discoveries, one surprising and the other not surprising at all.
The surprising discovery is that of all the amendments that comprise the Bill of Rights, the Second was probably the least debated. What we know is that the founders were deeply opposed to a standing army, which they viewed as the first step toward tyranny. Instead, their assumption was that the male citizenry would all belong to local militias. As Waldman writes, They were not allowed to have a musket; they were required to. More than a right, being armed was a duty.
Thus the unsurprising discovery: Virtually every reference to the right of the people to keep and bear Arms the second part of the Second Amendment was in reference to military defense. Waldman notes the House debate over the Second Amendment in the summer of 1789: Twelve congressmen joined the debate. None mentioned a private right to bear arms for self-defense, hunting or for any purpose other than joining the militia.
In time, of course, the militia idea died out, replaced by a professionalized armed service. Most gun regulation took place at the state and city level. The judiciary mostly stayed out of the way. In 1939, the Supreme Court upheld the nations first national gun law, the National Firearms Act, which put onerous limits on sawed-off shotguns and machine guns precisely because the guns had no reasonable relation to a well-regulated militia.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/27/opinion/nocera-right-to-bear-arms-means-this.html?_r=0
The Second Amendment begins, A well-regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, and thats where Waldman, the president of the Brennan Center for Justice at the New York University School of Law, begins, too. He has gone back into the framers original arguments and made two essential discoveries, one surprising and the other not surprising at all.
The surprising discovery is that of all the amendments that comprise the Bill of Rights, the Second was probably the least debated. What we know is that the founders were deeply opposed to a standing army, which they viewed as the first step toward tyranny. Instead, their assumption was that the male citizenry would all belong to local militias. As Waldman writes, They were not allowed to have a musket; they were required to. More than a right, being armed was a duty.
Thus the unsurprising discovery: Virtually every reference to the right of the people to keep and bear Arms the second part of the Second Amendment was in reference to military defense. Waldman notes the House debate over the Second Amendment in the summer of 1789: Twelve congressmen joined the debate. None mentioned a private right to bear arms for self-defense, hunting or for any purpose other than joining the militia.
In time, of course, the militia idea died out, replaced by a professionalized armed service. Most gun regulation took place at the state and city level. The judiciary mostly stayed out of the way. In 1939, the Supreme Court upheld the nations first national gun law, the National Firearms Act, which put onerous limits on sawed-off shotguns and machine guns precisely because the guns had no reasonable relation to a well-regulated militia.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/27/opinion/nocera-right-to-bear-arms-means-this.html?_r=0
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Joe The Plumber To UCSB Parents: 'Your Dead Kids Don't Trump' My Guns [View all]
DonViejo
May 2014
OP
KKKlassy gun nut. 2nd amendment fetishists only care about their codpieces. nt
onehandle
May 2014
#1
When media stops being run by people who benefit from an imbecilic public. n/t
Scootaloo
May 2014
#126
John McCain, a life time of serving his country and fucking things up the whole way...
olddad56
May 2014
#108
Look how he squandered his 15 minutes, give that to me and I will make something of it
randys1
May 2014
#76
No, it wouldn't be perfect. Better he remains an asshole for the world to see and hear...
R. Daneel Olivaw
May 2014
#133
Horrible!! What a horrible statement to address to grieving parents!! LACK OF EMPATHY!!!
hue
May 2014
#5
I think you've hit on an angle. It is EXACTLY what these people are doing.
Voice for Peace
May 2014
#102
We blast people with drones when they have less complicity with terrorism than this
BlueStreak
May 2014
#131
k and r for visibility. sam, you are one totally worthless waste of skin and oxygen.
niyad
May 2014
#14
Exactly. Joe the Who Cares. (Always thought he gave plumbers a bad name...
FailureToCommunicate
May 2014
#75
Funny I thought the 'right to life' was endowed by the Creator and the right to have
sinkingfeeling
May 2014
#18
I will say it…Joe appears to be saying that he probably would be proud if his children died at the..
Tikki
May 2014
#26
I'm glad you said what I was thinking. He probably would if the Koch bucks keep coming his way.
freshwest
May 2014
#112
Wouldnt work, he may change his mind once it happens to him but NRA will find someone else
randys1
May 2014
#83
And that is the whole problem - their right to carry and kill trumps their victims right to life
liberal N proud
May 2014
#48
There weren't any otherwise decent people who were moved to become violent scum.
Judi Lynn
May 2014
#103
Maybe your union steward would like to hear about this and see that you are forever barred from
Timez Squarez
May 2014
#67
Nutty behavior will eventually be the greater threat to the second amendment.
SleeplessinSoCal
May 2014
#72
It's time to draw the oppsite conclusion: Dead kids trump Wayne LaPierre and Joe the Plumber
Jack Rabbit
May 2014
#89
The second amendment has been misconstrued, throwing all common sense to the wind.
pacalo
May 2014
#116
A proud graduate of the Ann Coulter/Sarah Palin school of attention-whores I see
tjwash
May 2014
#142
Oughta get him a few gigs on FOX before his press agent has to get busy again. n/t
dogknob
May 2014
#156