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132. You misunderstand.

Wed May 28, 2014, 08:26 AM

May 2014

These types of 'honor' killings have cultural roots deeper than Islam. As I pointed out elsewhere in this thread, there are killings in Africa by Christians and killings in India by Hindus that are just as reprehensible that are likewise not caused by religion. So blaming Islam does not address the root of the problem: women as chattel in patriarchal societies. The point I was trying to make is that we in the west are not so far removed from these practices that we can comfortably hang our hat on how civilized we are compared to the rest of the world. That is not to say that we should not scream bloody murder about horrid incidents like this, we should, but we are in no position to be smug about how far we have come as a civilized society when we routinely deny rights to women both in the US and abroad through our laws and policies.

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Pakistan woman stoned to death by family for marrying man she loved [View all] hue May 2014 OP

hush now. think of all the real evil going on in Venezuela reddread May 2014 #1

Another victim of the global War on Women theHandpuppet May 2014 #2

a really good idea! nt ellenrr May 2014 #6

That describes it exactly......"global war on women" meti57b May 2014 #45

Tradition 1 Love 0 grilled onions May 2014 #3

Now now, must respect cultural differences theHandpuppet May 2014 #4

Oh yes! get the red out May 2014 #26

Other than that awful pun, I think you're doing the "Stone Age" a disservice. Jackpine Radical May 2014 #92

Bingo! +1000 blackspade May 2014 #114

"Honor Based Violence Awareness" website theHandpuppet May 2014 #5

1,000 a year - and probably many more - murdered muriel_volestrangler May 2014 #7

ten times that mopinko May 2014 #11

You mean 1,000 in Pakistan, I think. theHandpuppet May 2014 #24

But we must not criticize cultural/religious attitudes that allow this. hobbit709 May 2014 #8

I have no problem attacking it leftynyc May 2014 #10

...^ that 840high May 2014 #15

Animals are more noble creatures than those pieces of crap. catbyte May 2014 #22

Agree! get the red out May 2014 #27

Many of us do criticize it regularly IronLionZion May 2014 #17

Because they have oil. TBF May 2014 #42

Pakistan has oil? Psephos May 2014 #44

If you'll look back the post said TBF May 2014 #50

Check out TAPI on google juajen May 2014 #116

Ah very interesting - TBF May 2014 #128

No, we should, and we should criticize any religion (which is all of them as far as I know) randys1 May 2014 #79

I'm assuming they arrested the father leftynyc May 2014 #9

This message was self-deleted by its author guyton May 2014 #31

Fucking barbarians leftynyc May 2014 #33

+1 SunSeeker May 2014 #60

Those who think this is a Christian country have a similar vision for our future. EEO May 2014 #12

Bullshit leftynyc May 2014 #30

I do believe there was tyhat one church in NYC that had a sign Scruffy Rumbler May 2014 #41

I believe this is the sign you're talking about theHandpuppet May 2014 #54

Thank you very much! nt Scruffy Rumbler May 2014 #56

They are so popular leftynyc May 2014 #58

In memoriam of the original goal posts - lest they be forgotten: whopis01 May 2014 #87

My mistake for assuming leftynyc May 2014 #91

I wasn't the one who brought it up - that was a different poster whopis01 May 2014 #94

Except for one small detail leftynyc May 2014 #100

I disagree whopis01 May 2014 #109

But there it is leftynyc May 2014 #120

Once again, I disagree whopis01 May 2014 #129

The 10th is also part of our leftynyc May 2014 #131

Of course it is. But that wasn't the point, was it? whopis01 May 2014 #134

They are a christian group... Scruffy Rumbler May 2014 #111

No - I'm not a Christian leftynyc May 2014 #123

try reading some of the crap that comes from the xian reichwing, and has for DECADES. proposing niyad May 2014 #46

Spare me leftynyc May 2014 #59

do any of these people have power? have you been paying attention to the crap that is coming niyad May 2014 #63

Seriously? leftynyc May 2014 #66

oh my, so totally clueless. or is it detterminedly clueless? sad, just. . . sad. niyad May 2014 #68

Yawn leftynyc May 2014 #69

you mean, the way you minimize what women go through in this country, yes? niyad May 2014 #70

I've been fighting for women's rights leftynyc May 2014 #72

keep trying, I need the laughs. you have no idea how old I am (although others here do). niyad May 2014 #74

. . niyad May 2014 #84

Women in America will be killed soon for engaging in coitus randys1 May 2014 #80

but, according to some, we should not complain, because we have it so much better than others. niyad May 2014 #81

Yes, no complaining if you are Black, Woman or Gay or Latino or Jewish randys1 May 2014 #83

You May Wish To Look Up RJ Rushdoony and His Religious Right Fans n/t Vogon_Glory May 2014 #52

Why? leftynyc May 2014 #61

The good news is they are never going to get there.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody May 2014 #102

I know this is going to get my post hidden but it needs to be said. This is a Muslim thing. iandhr May 2014 #13

+1 840high May 2014 #16

Not so fast. blackspade May 2014 #21

That they predate Islam is meaningless leftynyc May 2014 #38

Sorry, but the issue is not Islam, per se. blackspade May 2014 #112

Sorry - I disagree leftynyc May 2014 #121

Not so fast, yourself. PK is an Islamic State, ruled by the Koran, so within a 'believer' frame, ancianita May 2014 #39

And killings of women don't happen in 'civilized patriarchal societies?' blackspade May 2014 #113

You cite CRIMES not legitimized by religion or our culture. Period. These murders are uncivilized. ancianita May 2014 #136

Violence against women is violence against women, regardless of the excuses used to legitimize it. blackspade May 2014 #140

Have it your way. From a woman's point of view, any belief system that legitimizes rape or murder is ancianita May 2014 #144

It's not really a remedy in most Islamic legal codes either. blackspade May 2014 #145

Hush now no one wants to hear that stuff ya know azurnoir May 2014 #43

If it were only that simple. Religions are used to justify killings & assaults against women. hue May 2014 #73

HELL YES get the red out May 2014 #28

If I were on the jury, I wouldn't vote to hide it. cosmicone May 2014 #76

Somehow Islam is better than other religions at getting entwined with government treestar May 2014 #124

Coming soon to a country nearby: raging religious rule mountain grammy May 2014 #14

Didn't Michele Bachman sorefeet May 2014 #23

I call those women stockholmies. ancianita May 2014 #35

They are called Red State Women in the South. DhhD May 2014 #47

Fuck these assholes. blackspade May 2014 #18

Short and simple...I agree. Rhinodawg May 2014 #127

Islam is 600 years younger The Wizard May 2014 #19

So what? leftynyc May 2014 #32

Except that the last 'witch' was executed barely over 230 years ago. blackspade May 2014 #115

Ah another thread Union Scribe May 2014 #119

230 years ago? leftynyc May 2014 #122

You misunderstand. blackspade May 2014 #132

It's very nice that you want leftynyc May 2014 #133

In what way have I 'defended' these practices? blackspade May 2014 #141

They don't have broad support though treestar May 2014 #125

Islam has existed since the 7th century cosmicone May 2014 #78

�Men are afraid that women will laugh at them. Women are afraid that men will kill them.� catbyte May 2014 #20

That is so sad. raccoon May 2014 #25

Depends on the religion a lot of times get the red out May 2014 #29

These men are dishonorable, murderous cowards, the worst of humanity. ancianita May 2014 #34

Yes, but Benghazi! valerief May 2014 #36

Fucking dipshit primitive idiots... truebrit71 May 2014 #37

Fucking barbarians. MynameisBlarney May 2014 #40

but. . .there is NO war on women! niyad May 2014 #48

Deuteronomy 22-21 Thespian2 May 2014 #49

Deuteronomy 22-21, is menaingless unless you read Deuteronomy 13-21 as a whole happyslug May 2014 #64

Thank you Thespian2 May 2014 #98

I did point out the one case actually mentioned in the bible.... happyslug May 2014 #103

Let me know when it's the law of the land leftynyc May 2014 #130

Say it any way you want Thespian2 May 2014 #135

I Hope That The US ICE Remembers The Identities Of These Barbarians AND Vogon_Glory May 2014 #51

As little as 3 centuries ago, Christian churches were torturing and burning to death at the stake Cal33 May 2014 #53

I don't think the religion being younger is any consolation treestar May 2014 #126

True. But fanatics are fanatics. They will not change. And we have quite a large number of our Cal33 May 2014 #139

These cultures seem to have a very different view of family then we do. Marrah_G May 2014 #55

Disgusting, barbaric people. Nye Bevan May 2014 #57

Religion claims yet another victim. Arugula Latte May 2014 #62

Not all "religions" are equal. Some religions say "let he who is without sin cast the first stone". Nye Bevan May 2014 #65

The major religions strive to legitimize the irrational and lionize factless "faith." Arugula Latte May 2014 #67

If you stick to the Gospels you pretty much won't go wrong. Nye Bevan May 2014 #71

This has NOTHING to do with Religion, Islam condemns such acts. happyslug May 2014 #86

Normally I would agree that it is a question of social norms, WCLinolVir May 2014 #90

From what I have read, Islamization has NOT increased the rate of such marriages happyslug May 2014 #93

...sickos. SoapBox May 2014 #75

Just awful shenmue May 2014 #77

Pakistan is 95-97% Muslim. WCLinolVir May 2014 #82

Wouldn't it be nice if a respected local religious figure could reason with the mob, Nye Bevan May 2014 #85

Sure would. The lack of humanity is heart wrenching. WCLinolVir May 2014 #88

"mob" or "group" meaning Her FAMILY!!! hue May 2014 #99

sick, sick culture Skittles May 2014 #89

Makes me sick sakabatou May 2014 #95

The horror this poor woman must have experienced, watching her dad and brothers stoning her. SunSeeker May 2014 #96

Where were the police, you ask? theHandpuppet May 2014 #104

That is messed up. How do you kill your daughter(or sister) and go on with your life? zonkers May 2014 #97

because you do not see females as actual human beings Skittles May 2014 #101

Bingo theHandpuppet May 2014 #105

She brought dishonor to the family? But killing your own daughter doesn't? tclambert May 2014 #106

Just awful LeftishBrit May 2014 #107

another isolated incident noiretextatique May 2014 #108

Stone age behavior. N/T devils chaplain May 2014 #110

Stuff like this truly makes my blood turn cold. How sickening. antiGOPin294 May 2014 #117

There is no "honor," in this brutal murder. nilesobek May 2014 #118

The only dishonor was committed by the family. Beacool May 2014 #137

As usual, selfishness is the cause of most of the evil in this world cpwm17 May 2014 #138

UPDATE: Parveen was pregnant and police just stood by while she was murdered theHandpuppet May 2014 #142

The statistics theHandpuppet May 2014 #143

Pakistani man protesting 'honour killing' admits strangling first wife muriel_volestrangler May 2014 #146