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Divernan

(15,480 posts)
29. You are unrealistically idealistic
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 07:29 AM
Jun 2014

The reality, as to your first two points, is that:

1. Funding correctional systems is at the bottom of the priority list for all levels of government. Politicians budget money on feel-good items that will generate votes. Care and feeding, let alone rehab of prisoners, does not match that criterion. Local jails, state prisons and federal prisons have not demonstrated the will nor capacity to rehabilitate prisoners. While a small percentage may complete GEDs or even get a college degree while incarcerated, the great majority emerge from prison with greater criminal skills then they entered with. You cannot force employers to hire ex-cons, and with the huge pool of unemployed, skilled workers, there is little likelihood someone with a criminal record will be hired. State centers for the mentally ill have been closed down, and that is why such a high percentage of our prisoners are categorized as mentally ill. Privatization of prisons means it is more profitable to keep prisons full - and that translates into a profit margin based on recidivism. That is why the US imprisons far more citizens than any other country.

2. You call for self-regulation, but then espouse "don't sell guns to bad guys". That is so simplistic and unworkable. What is the legal definition of "bad guy"? Have never seen that in any of the law books or state regulations I've studied. How on earth can a clerk tell who is a "bad guy"? Well, a criminal background search is a good start, but that is required by governmental regulation, not self regulation.

3. I agree with you that the 2nd Amendment does not protect gun-ownership for everyone. but again, government regulation is required to legally justify and enforce any screening. Mentally ill people don't typically self-diagnose.

I suggest idealism is the enemy of the possible.

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The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun truthisfreedom Jun 2014 #1
Sadly, I think you've nailed it. nt valerief Jun 2014 #2
Wrong. Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2014 #5
When you arrest the bad guy somebody is upaloopa Jun 2014 #10
No. There are plenty of bad guys to arrest before somebody dies. Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2014 #11
The shooters we talk about were not bad guys until upaloopa Jun 2014 #12
That guy in Isla Vista had lots of signals that almost everybody missed. Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2014 #16
I work for the Santa Barbara County Alcohol upaloopa Jun 2014 #22
You would be more helpful if you didn't merely trumpet your credentials. Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2014 #27
This is a waste of time upaloopa Jun 2014 #28
It's a discussion. I know you have some insight & experience and Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2014 #31
This isn't worth my getting out of a good mood for upaloopa Jun 2014 #42
Funny, his parents seemed to see the signals and know...even ALERTING the Authorities Ecumenist Jun 2014 #36
So Rodger was still a good guy after he stabbed and killed 3, before shooting anyone? beevul Jun 2014 #38
You gunners make shit up then argue against it upaloopa Jun 2014 #41
You stated, and I quote: beevul Jun 2014 #45
Post removed Post removed Jun 2014 #19
Debate civilly, don't attack personally. A difference in opinion does not make a person a liar. Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2014 #26
You are unrealistically idealistic Divernan Jun 2014 #29
I agree with your three points, which makes me realistically idealistic Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2014 #30
"On Prison Reform, Democrats and Republicans Bond" Divernan Jun 2014 #34
Good point that mandatory sentencing may be dying a deserved death. Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2014 #35
Larry needs a good slapping and a real hard one too... randys1 Jun 2014 #3
I think of what happened to Alan Berg back in the day and, well... IMO there are far more worthy nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #49
If not slapping, what the rove and hannity and scalia and ryan and rick scotts need is shaming randys1 Jun 2014 #50
Agreed. n/t nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #54
I love how these idiots think guns are a magic shield that protects them from bullets arcane1 Jun 2014 #4
that's how cowards think Skittles Jun 2014 #15
These gun nuts are certifiable. The young man LibDemAlways Jun 2014 #6
Is that Stan Satan? SoapBox Jun 2014 #7
Where are all the "responsible" gun owners telling this guy to STFU? BrotherIvan Jun 2014 #8
Nowhere to be found, as usual. (nt) Paladin Jun 2014 #13
some stupid fuck broadcasting via shortwave radio looking to break into the big leagues.. frylock Jun 2014 #9
This +(some arbitrary large number) Xyzse Jun 2014 #39
Even the Pope travels behind bullet-proof glass, just in case God gets distracted... blkmusclmachine Jun 2014 #14
Lol lib87 Jun 2014 #17
Pope John Paul II should have had a gun ThoughtCriminal Jun 2014 #21
I like it! manu Jun 2014 #25
Longing for the days when you could got to your local radio station to protest. Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2014 #18
Hey Solomon: Fred Gilmore Jun 2014 #20
Bernardo...you will never take guns away from the bad guys passiveporcupine Jun 2014 #23
Exactly. It wouldn't be a bad start. Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2014 #32
The ltheghost Jun 2014 #24
So let me get this straight . . . Brigid Jun 2014 #33
Isn't it interesting that POLICE are armed and are aware of the danger and yet, HOW MANY COPS Ecumenist Jun 2014 #37
Like many gun nuts, the radio commentator over-esteems his skills. He's not that good. nt Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2014 #44
I hate any idiots who have a public forum and say things as horrible as they can come up with raccoon Jun 2014 #40
What a heartless, sorry excuse of a human being! antiGOPin294 Jun 2014 #43
Time for psych tests for gun owners agentS Jun 2014 #46
I'm not sure I follow this guys logic. How would any of the victims been more prepared if they mackerel Jun 2014 #47
Yeah! Then we can have more accidental shootings IronLionZion Jun 2014 #48
The heartlessness and... 3catwoman3 Jun 2014 #51
The right-wing gun lobby billh58 Jun 2014 #52
Keep talking gun nuts. Initech Jun 2014 #53
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