Latest Breaking News

bluestateguy

(44,173 posts)

6. And all the good teachers will leave the state

Tue Jun 10, 2014, 01:46 PM

Jun 2014

Tenure protects a hell of a lot more good teachers than bad ones. If I was a district school superintendent in Arizona or Nevada, I'd be on the phone right now trying to poach away the superstar teachers in CA public schools.

Edit history

Please sign in to view edit histories.

Recommendations

0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

100 replies

= new reply since forum marked as read

Highlight:

California teacher tenure law unconstitutional [View all] Judi Lynn Jun 2014 OP

the anti union race to the top promoters must be drooling with delight nt msongs Jun 2014 #1

I think the Plantiffs are hardly anti-union. nt msanthrope Jun 2014 #7

Not only are they anti-union they wish the complete privitization of public schools nt. liskddksil Jun 2014 #24

The eight schoolchildren listed? The ones who testified at trial? Kindly tell me which named msanthrope Jun 2014 #25

All the Rhee, Gates, Broad, Silicon Valley, Hedgefund Money that are Financing Students Matter liskddksil Jun 2014 #30

Judas kids n/t reddread Jun 2014 #31

Yeah those 8 students pooled all their money together and got some lawyers to represent them. neverforget Jun 2014 #60

And not a one of them anywhere to be seen in the 2012 election Starry Messenger Jun 2014 #65

You know, when Justice Marshall and the NAACP put together the Brown Plaintiffs, they msanthrope Jun 2014 #67

If you can't recognize obvious window-dressing then go ahead and continue to be deceived nikto Jun 2014 #92

Indeed...I remember the critiques of Thurgood Marshall and the NAACP when the msanthrope Jun 2014 #95

Nice try at turning it around---FAIL nikto Jun 2014 #99

this is more about teachers who sexually abuse their students hopemountain Jun 2014 #62

What are you talking about???? such Tenured teachers are FIRED all the time, happyslug Jun 2014 #83

what part of the constitution is it violating leftyohiolib Jun 2014 #2

Equal protection. nt msanthrope Jun 2014 #5

dont they have to prove that these teachers are bad in order to say that they leftyohiolib Jun 2014 #8

In the two month trial, they apparently did. nt msanthrope Jun 2014 #13

ok thanks, didnt see that in the paper leftyohiolib Jun 2014 #46

Damn. femmocrat Jun 2014 #3

I journaled about this related civil rights case--- msanthrope Jun 2014 #4

And all the good teachers will leave the state bluestateguy Jun 2014 #6

The Rubber Room Mosby Jun 2014 #9

It took LAUSD 3.5 million and 5 years just to fire 7 incompetent teachers.... msanthrope Jun 2014 #16

Post removed Post removed Jun 2014 #50

That is a statement made on page 15 of the Complaint, and then NOT supported by any evidence happyslug Jun 2014 #84

The rubber rooms were closed about 5 years ago. It was easily done. It turns out that Squinch Jun 2014 #34

For the simplistic and sluggish of mind, the key sentence here is : Smarmie Doofus Jun 2014 #47

This has nothing to do with California. roody Jun 2014 #71

This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Jun 2014 #10

What this article is saying is that it is taking from June to August to fire a teacher. 2 months. Squinch Jun 2014 #35

It doesn't take nearly so long, depending of course, upon the circumstance Big_Mike Jun 2014 #64

The average in the private sector companies I worked in were three documented incidents, Squinch Jun 2014 #82

This is about California. roody Jun 2014 #72

What does a DWI have to do with teaching???? happyslug Jun 2014 #85

Perhaps some of the kids drove her to drink. This could be a workplace disabilities case. Is there 24601 Jun 2014 #100

The whole concept of ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #11

A new teacher costs half of my salary. roody Jun 2014 #26

In my organization ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #28

your posts are informed and useful - thanks n/t Psephos Jun 2014 #29

We veterans do spend a lot of time helping new roody Jun 2014 #77

Does your school system have a formalized ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #78

The state of California does. My district does not. roody Jun 2014 #80

I ask because ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #81

Regardless, it s no reason to deny roody Jun 2014 #89

I do not support denying employment rights ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #90

Would that apply also to tenure at universities? eom catrose Jun 2014 #12

No--K -12. nt msanthrope Jun 2014 #15

I'm not sure why the difference catrose Jun 2014 #20

The suit didn't address that. Frankly, I think they would be too disparate in situation. K-12 msanthrope Jun 2014 #22

Brown V Board. They convinced the court that K-12 tenure was causing racial discrimination. Xithras Jun 2014 #33

The two types of "tenure" are related only in name Recursion Jun 2014 #52

Also, I believe that if professors apply for tenure pennylane100 Jun 2014 #56

Universities usually have two "tracks" Recursion Jun 2014 #59

K&R DeSwiss Jun 2014 #14

It's virtually impossible to fire Supreme Court justices. GeorgeGist Jun 2014 #17

Are you referring to the California Judge (not a justice) that made this ruling? The State of 24601 Jun 2014 #43

Welcome to Silicon Valley corporate education. Starry Messenger Jun 2014 #18

If feel very uneasy about this, even after reading the posts here. I still don't see how tenure is freshwest Jun 2014 #91

The ironic thing is the funding issue is now reterograde Starry Messenger Jun 2014 #97

lots of posters in agreement with Team Bush these days reddread Jun 2014 #19

Ted Olsen was also an attorney for the Plaintiffs. Although he was on the wrong side of Bush v. msanthrope Jun 2014 #21

lots of posters in agreement with Team Bush these days reddread Jun 2014 #32

That one always does erodriguez Jun 2014 #42

I believe you may be onto something. DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2014 #45

Yes...of course an attorney who worked for the Obama campaign, has written about it extensively on msanthrope Jun 2014 #68

Well that attorney couldn't possibly be wrong because he worked for OBAMA! That makes neverforget Jun 2014 #86

She, as my username clearly indicates. nt msanthrope Jun 2014 #87

I'm sorry! Are you the former Obama attorney representing Student Matters? neverforget Jun 2014 #88

No. nt msanthrope Jun 2014 #96

Regardless, that attorney couldn't possibly be wrong because she worked for OBAMA! That makes neverforget Jun 2014 #93

So does the guy who President Obama appointed to handle education Freddie Stubbs Jun 2014 #69

Tenure does not guarantee lifetime employment Blue Idaho Jun 2014 #23

Well said, thanks. Skeeter Barnes Jun 2014 #36

+1 Attacking teachers would have been unfathomable in the past. Live and Learn Jun 2014 #63

This should be an OP. Most people do not know what K-12 tenure means. roody Jun 2014 #79

Aljazeera got it right in their article..... Mona Jun 2014 #27

Isn't the "academic freedom" argument kind of bogus for K-12 teachers? Nye Bevan Jun 2014 #37

With school boards increasingly filled with TeaBaggers it's essential. Blue Idaho Jun 2014 #38

A science teacher in Mississsippi teaching evolution needs academic freedom bluestateguy Jun 2014 #48

Tenure also protects a nutcase teaching creationism as science, however. Nye Bevan Jun 2014 #49

Another right winger on the boards. brentspeak Jun 2014 #51

That's twice in this thread that you, a non-donor, has accused a donor Nye Bevan Jun 2014 #54

Oh, a "donor" brentspeak Jun 2014 #57

Well, hurling accusations of being "right-wingers" at people, Nye Bevan Jun 2014 #58

It is disgusting behavior davidpdx Jun 2014 #70

Or, in my junior high for instance, a science teacher saying the sun went around the earth Recursion Jun 2014 #53

Does Mississippi have employment rights for teachers? roody Jun 2014 #73

It's unionized, or was 25 years ago Recursion Jun 2014 #75

If it is a 'right to work' state, the union has no power. roody Jun 2014 #76

Bad news. blkmusclmachine Jun 2014 #39

time to boycott, divest our retirement fund and get public colleges & universities to divest from yurbud Jun 2014 #40

Damn Just damn. DamnYankeeInHouston Jun 2014 #41

bump... nt Jesus Malverde Jun 2014 #44

Man that judge threw everything at them ripcord Jun 2014 #55

Yeah, imagine all the great teachers they are going to get Live and Learn Jun 2014 #61

not that there are'nt some BAD teachers, but DonCoquixote Jun 2014 #66

We are fighting a similar situation here in Dallas, TX... kjackson227 Jun 2014 #74

INFO on THE JUDGE...l nikto Jun 2014 #94

thanks reddread Jun 2014 #98