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20. You need to thank every member of Congress who voted for the Iraq AUMF without which none of it
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 03:24 PM
Jun 2014

would have happened. First my personal comments then the link and information.

My take: Pretty much every every senator wanting to keep a presidential run in their future voted for the AUMF. This included those who I believe really opposed it (including Senators Biden, Clinton & Kerry) but made their presidential ambitions their top priority. How many actually went to the Capitol's secure facility & read the intelligence? Most never bother to do so.

The following information comes from:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorization_for_Use_of_Military_Force_Against_Iraq_Resolution_of_2002

The resolution cited many factors to justify the use of military force against Iraq: [I added the numbers and whether in retrospect it was true]

1. Iraq's noncompliance with the conditions of the 1991 ceasefire agreement, including interference with U.N. weapons inspectors. [true]

2. Iraq "continuing to possess and develop a significant chemical and biological weapons capability" and "actively seeking a nuclear weapons capability" posed a "threat to the national security of the United States and international peace and security in the Persian Gulf region." [not true]

3. Iraq's "brutal repression of its civilian population." [true]

4. Iraq's "capability and willingness to use weapons of mass destruction against other nations and its own people". [capability was not true, willingness true but required capabilities]

5. Iraq's hostility towards the United States as demonstrated by
a. the 1993 assassination attempt on former President George H. W. Bush [true] and
b. firing on coalition aircraft enforcing the no-fly zones following the 1991 Gulf War. [true]

6. Members of al-Qaeda, an organization bearing responsibility for attacks on the United States, its citizens, and interests, including the attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, are known to be in Iraq. [not true]

7. Iraq's "continu[ing] to aid and harbor other international terrorist organizations," including anti-United States terrorist organizations. [true]

8. Iraq paid bounty to families of suicide bombers. [true]

9. The efforts by the Congress and the President to fight terrorists, and those who aided or harbored them. [true, but not relevant in Iraq with respect to al-Qaeda]

10. The authorization by the Constitution and the Congress for the President to fight anti-United States terrorism. [true, but not relevant in Iraq with respect to al-Qaeda]

11. The governments in Turkey, Kuwait, and Saudi Arabia feared Saddam and wanted him removed from power. [true]

12. Citing the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998, the resolution reiterated that it should be the policy of the United States to remove the Saddam Hussein regime and promote a democratic replacement. [true - it was passed by Congress and signed into law by Bill Clinton]

The Congressional Votes:

United States House of Representatives

Party Yes Nays PRES No Vote

Republican 215 6 0 2
Democratic 82 126 0 1
Independent 0 1 0 0

TOTALS 297 133 0 3

82 (40%) of 209 Democratic Representatives voted for the resolution.

6 (<3%) of 223 Republican Representatives voted against the resolution: Reps. Duncan (R-TN), Hostettler (R-IN), Houghton (R-NY), Leach (R-IA), Morella (R-MD), Paul (R-TX).

The only Independent Representative voted against the resolution: Rep. Sanders (I-VT)

Reps. Ortiz (D-TX), Roukema (R-NJ), and Stump (R-AZ) did not vote on the resolution.

United States Senate

Party Yes Nays PRES No Vote

Republican 48 1 0 0
Democratic 29 21 0 0
Independent 0 1 0 0

TOTALS 77 23 0 0

58% of Democratic senators (29 of 50) voted for the resolution. Those voting against the Democratic majority include: Sens. Akaka (D-HI), Bingaman (D-NM), Boxer (D-CA), Byrd (D-WV), Conrad (D-ND), Corzine (D-NJ), Dayton (D-MN), Durbin (D-IL), Feingold (D-WI), Graham (D-FL), Inouye (D-HI), Kennedy (D-MA), Leahy (D-VT), Levin (D-MI), Mikulski (D-MD), Murray (D-WA), Reed (D-RI), Sarbanes (D-MD), Stabenow (D-MI), Wellstone (D-MN), and Wyden (D-OR).

1 (2%) of 49 Republican senators voted against the resolution: Sen. Chafee (R-RI).

The only Independent senator voted against the resolution: Sen. Jeffords (I-VT)

[added by me - Senate rules prohibit filibuster on AUMF resolutions.
Also, the Iraq AUMF was passed when Democrats, along with the ind. Jeffords had a majority in the Senate.
Republicans had a slim majority in the House of Representatives and did not have sufficient votes to pass the AUMF without Democratic votes - but the two Republican no votes were probably held in reserve if needed to reach the required 217]


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He's Getting Sucked In...... global1 Jun 2014 #1
He is NOT getting sucked in. There will not be American boots on the ground to fight this lostincalifornia Jun 2014 #2
Boots On The Ground Or Not (Airstrikes Maybe) It's Going To Cost Us...... global1 Jun 2014 #7
+1 million Louisiana1976 Jun 2014 #27
"You did a heck of a job, Rummy" zonkers Jun 2014 #42
Mission Accomplished warrant46 Jun 2014 #54
There is more to "getting sucked in" than just boots on the ground. totodeinhere Jun 2014 #15
Tell me how many billions in cash pocoloco Jun 2014 #62
he is no "getting sucked in", he is choosing what he will do nt msongs Jun 2014 #4
We Broke It gussmith Jun 2014 #3
Deja vu, around the maypole once again in a paegan ritual? saidsimplesimon Jun 2014 #5
being asked for help is much different than pre-emptive strikes VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #29
Thanks, Dubya. AzDar Jun 2014 #6
Worry. mahatmakanejeeves Jun 2014 #11
Yup. He left us quite a mess. And now while he kicks back and totodeinhere Jun 2014 #16
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2014 #17
he still bears the blame. hrmjustin Jun 2014 #23
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2014 #24
it is still bush's mess. hrmjustin Jun 2014 #25
You make a valid point. Bush got us into this mess, but if Obama goes back into totodeinhere Jun 2014 #36
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2014 #41
I agree with you here. The average person ballyhoo Jun 2014 #52
Wait A Minute billhicks76 Jun 2014 #61
It's Dubya's fault there is a there to go back into. babylonsister Jun 2014 #51
You need to thank every member of Congress who voted for the Iraq AUMF without which none of it 24601 Jun 2014 #20
The AUMF also said that the Weapons Inspectors would continue....it was the ONLY way of possibly VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #31
Also: AUMF Repeal Bill Would End Extraordinary War Powers Granted After 9/11 freshwest Jun 2014 #48
VIDEO and GOP response to Obama's call to end the AUMF: freshwest Jun 2014 #50
So how long are we going to stay stuck inside? sakabatou Jun 2014 #8
why? superdem1984 Jun 2014 #9
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2014 #10
Here we go - - "Iran sending troops to Iraq" Baclava Jun 2014 #12
My pet theory is that Sauds are ginning up a war between Sunni and Shia in Iraq and Iran. AngryAmish Jun 2014 #38
how is this to the saudi's advantage? jacks price of oil up? divert attention from their corruption? KittyWampus Jun 2014 #47
The south of Iraq essentially is an extension of Khuzestan province of Iran. roamer65 Jun 2014 #57
Yes, let's leverage our extensive credibility in the region. arcane1 Jun 2014 #13
O please no abelenkpe Jun 2014 #14
Well said. Let's stay out. Louisiana1976 Jun 2014 #33
haven't we 'helped' them enough? They were better off before the Bush crime family helped them. olddad56 Jun 2014 #18
Let them all gather together in one city and then blow the whole city up. LLD Jun 2014 #19
Again?? 1Greensix Jun 2014 #21
Stay as far away from Iraq as possible. Perhaps kiranon Jun 2014 #22
Who is "US"? 4Q2u2 Jun 2014 #26
As Colin Powell said before the invasion, "We broke it". Tarheel_Dem Jun 2014 #28
Crap. Iraq was not worth one drop of American blood or one cent of American money Glorfindel Jun 2014 #30
+1 get the red out Jun 2014 #34
people with families and lives of their own live their. It might be worth our blood if we had yurbud Jun 2014 #46
CNN video and article on the situation... PoliticAverse Jun 2014 #32
No, no and hell no!!!! Swede Atlanta Jun 2014 #35
If I were in the Marines I would get my will updated. AngryAmish Jun 2014 #37
And my nephew is a Marine. Brigid Jun 2014 #64
So why doesn't Saudia Arabia Fight them. they created this thing. bahrbearian Jun 2014 #39
Take it to the UN. If there is a way to help, no one on the Security Council will veto pampango Jun 2014 #40
Strange, we train and fund them with our allies. Jesus Malverde Jun 2014 #43
This is where the discussion should be. ozone_man Jun 2014 #70
No more corporatists and warmongers. woo me with science Jun 2014 #44
When they flee into Syria's territory, will the Air Force follow them ? /nt jakeXT Jun 2014 #45
Send the Bush and Cheney families warrior1 Jun 2014 #49
What did you say? Rand Paul, 45th President of the United States? Dawson Leery Jun 2014 #53
Well I hate to say it Dyedinthewoolliberal Jun 2014 #55
Riyadh is NOT going to like their proxies being bombed. roamer65 Jun 2014 #56
Didn't we do this OneCrazyDiamond Jun 2014 #58
No. Are they a "sovereign" country now or not? Amonester Jun 2014 #59
Very hard to stop a civil war when the people want one. WHEN CRABS ROAR Jun 2014 #60
Helping them would probably be letting them tend to their own affairs nolabels Jun 2014 #63
Send every warmongering RWer there now. reflection Jun 2014 #65
"Help them?" Brigid Jun 2014 #66
Help does not mean troops treestar Jun 2014 #67
Obama: Iraq Is Going To Need Help From Us workinclasszero Jun 2014 #68
Iraq does not need 'help' from it's serial abuser. grahamhgreen Jun 2014 #69
No. Just no. No. No. NO. liberalhistorian Jun 2014 #71
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