Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News Editorials & Other Articles General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

Coyote_Bandit

(6,783 posts)
21. Ummmm......No
Mon Mar 26, 2012, 12:50 PM
Mar 2012

We are talking about discrimination in employment based on APPEARANCE.

OP states (emphasis added):
“should fit with a representational image or specific mental projection of the job of a healthcare professional,” including an appearance “free from distraction”

Weight is a poor measure of fitness and physical abilities. But it is a damn popular stereotype to assume fat people are unfit and those of a more ideal weight are fit. That's not necessarily true on either account.

There are four accepted components of fitness assessment:
(1) Aerobic fitness;
(2) Muscular strength and endurance
(3) Flexibility and
(4) Body composition

http://www.adultfitnesstest.org/

There are a number of ways to measure a particular individual's body composition. Hydrostatic weighing. Skinfold measurements. Bioelectric impedence. And others.

Nobody in this particular clinic seems to be talking about assessing fitness or ability to perform physical tasks. They are talking about discriminating in emplooyment based on the single factor of weight as it impacts appearance.

While weight and height are relevant factors in determining body composition, taken together they are a poor measure of body composition. Why? Because the weight measure by itself is incapable of distinguishing what portion of the body is composed of lean body mass. http://www.topendsports.com/testing/tests/mass.htm

And body composition is but one of four measures of physical fitness.

This is discrimination based on appearance rather than a condition of employment based on ability to perform certain physical tasks.




As you suggest, there certainly are many ways (and many reasons) for employers to foster better health among their employees. It is admirable of employers to make such efforts.

But that begs the question of whether it is also permissible for employers to discriminate in emloyment based on lifestyle issues. And make no mistake, lifestyle issues include far more than being fat. It also includes choices regarding alcohol consumption, driving habits, sexual conduct, and recreational activities among many other things. If one finds it acceptable to refuse employment to obese folks then, by logical extension, one should also find it permissible to refuse employment to those fit thrill seekers who engage in high risk recreational activities.




IMHO, employers ought not concern themselves with the legal behaviors and choices of their employees. Such intrusions burden individual freedoms and liberties. Any such intrusion ought to be well defined, ought to have a clear and direct impact on the employees ability to perform the duties of his job, ought to be communicated clearly to employees/prospective employees and ought to be accompanied by compensation for the employee contracting to forego otherwise legal conduct.

Recommendations

0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

Agree cyberbeing Mar 2012 #1
that's a sweet non-sequitur Enrique Mar 2012 #35
Unclear if they're hiring stupid doctors JustABozoOnThisBus Mar 2012 #2
Wouldn't want fat useless slobs like this obese guy pushing your wheelchair... dmallind Mar 2012 #3
I have seen more than a few over weight nurses. This is just one more example of sarcasmo Mar 2012 #4
Noticed that too dynasaw Mar 2012 #7
Having taking the wife to numerous hospitals the last four years, I think you are sarcasmo Mar 2012 #11
If they want employees that possess certain physical capabilities Coyote_Bandit Mar 2012 #5
We're talking About Obesity Here dynasaw Mar 2012 #9
But, they're not talking about health. Rozlee Mar 2012 #14
obesity relevant to the malnourished Belgian peasants of a century ago that is. dmallind Mar 2012 #17
Ummmm......No Coyote_Bandit Mar 2012 #21
I wonder if they hire bmbmd Mar 2012 #6
Personally, I think it's appalling how many overweight people are in the medical profession NV Whino Mar 2012 #8
Totally agree with you dynasaw Mar 2012 #10
This hospital has a gym NV Whino Mar 2012 #12
12 hour shifts for most staff nurses don't help, either. arbusto_baboso Mar 2012 #13
That's a huge part of the problem. GoCubsGo Mar 2012 #24
Change the headline to "smokers" and people would be cheering. nt Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #15
Which they are. dmallind Mar 2012 #16
Does it apply to upper management and the board of directors? saras Mar 2012 #18
It's all about money gopiscrap Mar 2012 #19
When I Started RobinA Mar 2012 #20
And no ethnic minorites either. PassingFair Mar 2012 #22
If being overweight inhibits the ability to do the job then I believe that is just...but not just Klukie Mar 2012 #23
My pediatrician was an alarmingly obese woman. Arkana Mar 2012 #25
Awful policy. BlueIris Mar 2012 #26
It would have been less offensive and just as effective Dragonbreathp9d Mar 2012 #27
245 at 5' 10" is overweight let alone 245 at 5' 5". I''m 6" 0" and 223 and that is overweight. Monk06 Mar 2012 #28
Body composition irrelevant? dmallind Mar 2012 #29
Obviously I'm not talking about professional athletes. I'm talking about ordinary people who Monk06 Mar 2012 #30
not even close to just pro athletes dmallind Mar 2012 #32
I will agree body mass and height weight ratios do cloud the obesity issue. On the otherhand Monk06 Mar 2012 #38
BMI is probably the most god aweful way to base ones health upon... Javaman Mar 2012 #31
BMI helps people like me. Neoma Mar 2012 #33
I'm glad it worked for you... Javaman Mar 2012 #34
If you're that muscled up, you don't need to know how unhealthy you are anyways. Neoma Mar 2012 #36
BMI isn't an indication of health. Javaman Mar 2012 #39
and those alone are not enough! Scout Mar 2012 #40
I completely agree. Javaman Mar 2012 #41
cheers to you too! n/t Scout Mar 2012 #42
So my 57 yo 6'2" 188lb cousin that just went through a mitral valve repair would be a "cheap" hire? Paula Sims Mar 2012 #37
.. and they have expectations that cannot be ignored in terms of personal appearance? threads Mar 2012 #43
Latest Discussions»Latest Breaking News»(TX) Victoria Hospital Wo...»Reply #21