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karynnj

(61,106 posts)
9. Here it is better to look at Obama's and Kerry's comments - not either Senator's
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 09:41 AM
Jun 2014

It would be an incredibly tricky thing to accomplish, but if the Iraqi government made a REAL genuine turn from sectarian government and the Sunnis believed it, you could have an organic repeat of what happened in 2006/2007.

In 2006, Iraq fell into an intense civil war. McCain and others credit the surge with ending it. More thoughtful people note that even before the surge, the civil war was changing as Sunni leaders started to throw out the AQ aligned terrorists. I have heard 2 reasons given - one that the Sunnis feared for what would happen to their own families and realized the cost of hosting the terrorists and that the US paid some leaders to make that decision. (If the latter, it might be one of the few times I think bribery could be justified.)

What is even more complicated this time is that ISIL are mostly ethnic Iraqis. They have nowhere to go - and there are some that note that they become worse in Iraq as they lose ground in Syria. They are extremely radicalized and extremely violent. It is hard to see either where they go or how they could become part of a nonsectarian Iraq. The question would be how many of these people are hard core terrorists and how many could return to a non sectarian Iraq.

It does not make sense to bomb population centers - as that will just kill innocent people and probably increase the ranks of ISIL. Probably the only exception is that if the ISIL can be attacked directly when they are in convoys from one town to another town they intend to attack, if the US had 100% proof, this might be the only justifiable if done at the request of a NON SECTARIAN (ie not Al Maliki ) government. It would be preventing a massacre. (If the government is not non sectarian, the problem is that most Sunnis could still see it as the US attacking "them" for the Shiites.)

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I regret that I have but one country to give for my life. nt Xipe Totec Jun 2014 #1
That's the kind of guy the PM appears to be . . . another_liberal Jun 2014 #7
you're next buddy jakeXT Jun 2014 #2
They are not a "Lovely Pair" . . . another_liberal Jun 2014 #5
No one cares if the american people want war or not. It's all about profitability for Halliburton peacebird Jun 2014 #3
Not just halliburton. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2014 #4
Since it will be for their benefit . . . another_liberal Jun 2014 #6
Halliburton is also very well embedded in the oil lobby ... Nihil Jun 2014 #26
Dead man talking. I give him 6 months... HooptieWagon Jun 2014 #8
Here it is better to look at Obama's and Kerry's comments - not either Senator's karynnj Jun 2014 #9
Actually you're wrong leftynyc Jun 2014 #10
They only support air strikes because . . . another_liberal Jun 2014 #14
With your extraordinary leftynyc Jun 2014 #18
You did what? another_liberal Jun 2014 #19
Then you don't remember your own OP which stated: leftynyc Jun 2014 #20
You site one borderline poll result . . . another_liberal Jun 2014 #21
Sigh leftynyc Jun 2014 #22
You quoted one practically meaningless poll which proves nothing . . . another_liberal Jun 2014 #23
You can keep insisting you're leftynyc Jun 2014 #25
And you, my friend, can go on insisting that the American people want another war. another_liberal Jun 2014 #27
Calls for the US not to engage in nyabingi Jun 2014 #11
We need to accept the limits of American power . . . another_liberal Jun 2014 #16
So now we know somebody asked. nt bemildred Jun 2014 #12
Another example of the effectiveness of the House of Saud Lobby. happyslug Jun 2014 #13
Wow! another_liberal Jun 2014 #15
The Middle East has seen the fight between these three power bases since the beginning of writing happyslug Jun 2014 #24
He's going to leave vertically or horizontally. Rhinodawg Jun 2014 #17
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