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former9thward

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68. I have been to Hoa Lo prison in Hanoi twice.

Wed Jun 25, 2014, 07:04 PM

Jun 2014

Where McCain and the rest were held. Once in November, 1992 when it was still an active prison. John Kerry had been appointed by Bush I to lead a delegation investigating prisoners held after the war. I saw the conditions that Americans were held in. I also visited it in 2009 when it no longer was an active prison. All the POWs who were tortured gave statements. None of them dishonored their service or country in doing so. McCain was held out for special torture because he refused release when offered. He demanded all go. They tortured him so badly that even today he can't raise his arms above his shoulders and needs people to do his hair, etc.

Just because we disagree politically does not mean we should create smears of these people whether McCain or Kerry by the swiftboaters.

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Army Clears Bergdahl of Any Misconduct During Captivity [View all] kpete Jun 2014 OP

"We have no reason to believe that he engaged in any misconduct." mbperrin Jun 2014 #1

They'll just blame Obama for forcing the army to lie lunatica Jun 2014 #14

That's what I see on Facebook... Blanks Jun 2014 #21

Heads explode at Free Republic PeoViejo Jun 2014 #2

It's all Obama forcing the Army to back down so he can save face lunatica Jun 2014 #15

Why would he have to return his pay? n/t FSogol Jun 2014 #3

Desertion. former9thward Jun 2014 #4

He was just cleared of all charges, correct? FSogol Jun 2014 #10

No, cleared of wrong doing WHILE a captive. leftcoastloon Jun 2014 #11

They can't prove that he wasn't out "strolling around" as he had several times before. AAO Jun 2014 #29

No Andy823 Jun 2014 #12

NO....he was captured BEFORE he could legally be -- or was -- declared a deserter. MADem Jun 2014 #57

Thanks. I doubt the army will charge him with anything. n/t FSogol Jun 2014 #67

Have you ever conducted a Line of Duty investigation? I have a handful under my belt. If his 24601 Jun 2014 #80

Bergdahl had a history of going out on walks. And returning. With no reprimand riderinthestorm Jun 2014 #84

That could have relevance for determining lack of intent to remain away permanently; however, 24601 Jun 2014 #97

Yes, I have-I've been a Preliminary Inquiry Officer on dozens of investigations, I have MADem Jun 2014 #99

Very informative. Thank you. emsimon33 Jun 2014 #119

You and I must know the same guy. My guy went throught the winshield of a shipmate's car on ..... marble falls Jun 2014 #106

Jeff & I were Army. I'm guessing that probably because of his injuries, there wasn't an Article 15. 24601 Jun 2014 #111

Those were the days. Another one I remember fom New London was two sailors in the trunk ..... marble falls Jun 2014 #113

Damn a bad couple of days for the CRAZIES on the right Iliyah Jun 2014 #5

He was disillusioned, for good reason, wondered off his post probably to get high randys1 Jun 2014 #6

I read that he was kind of a loner AAO Jun 2014 #30

"Bergdahl electrified the national discourse last month" PSPS Jun 2014 #7

Can his hometown have its celebration now? KansDem Jun 2014 #8

I don't know, but damn that is a gorgeous picture npk Jun 2014 #55

Unless he was restricted to base... yallerdawg Jun 2014 #9

Desertion is a crime. former9thward Jun 2014 #16

Desertion? yallerdawg Jun 2014 #18

He was not cleared. former9thward Jun 2014 #22

ARMY - CLEARED - BERGDAHL yallerdawg Jun 2014 #33

YOU CAN SHOUT IT ALL YOU WANT. former9thward Jun 2014 #36

Jesus fucking christ, you've already decided he's guilty. If he's cleared, its an Army "whitewash" riderinthestorm Jun 2014 #41

And you have already decided he is innocent ... former9thward Jun 2014 #44

I prefer to get a clearer picture before I accuse anyone, even the Army. riderinthestorm Jun 2014 #50

He IS innocent until proven otherwise. LuvLoogie Jun 2014 #82

I don't need cover but thanks for the suggestion. former9thward Jun 2014 #92

As I've said elsewhere, the Army owns a lot of the "blame" in this mess. MADem Jun 2014 #102

Am I in a no-spin zone? yallerdawg Jun 2014 #43

that's disgusting heaven05 Jun 2014 #77

They have a history. former9thward Jun 2014 #79

No I remember a lot heaven05 Jun 2014 #85

Agree with everything you said. former9thward Jun 2014 #93

have they designated him as a deserter? frylock Jun 2014 #19

No, they are investigating that. former9thward Jun 2014 #23

but in the meantime, you'll go ahead and tag him with that label.. frylock Jun 2014 #45

Nope, I have not called him a deserter in any of my posts. former9thward Jun 2014 #46

you've implied as much frylock Jun 2014 #48

Give up. Frustrating isn't it? It's 840high Jun 2014 #66

I am never frustrated and I never give up. former9thward Jun 2014 #109

Merely that you will be disappointed if he is cleared of as such. LanternWaste Jun 2014 #105

If he is not cleared will you complain? former9thward Jun 2014 #108

Yes actually. Soldiers had wandered off before, including Bergdahl, in that area without punishment riderinthestorm Jun 2014 #20

I'm sure you have evidence of them being paid. former9thward Jun 2014 #24

You are misusing the term "deserted". phleshdef Jun 2014 #27

I have no doubt the army will whitewash this. former9thward Jun 2014 #31

I don't believe anything yet. But you seem to have an agenda against Bergdahl. phleshdef Jun 2014 #37

My agenda is the truth. former9thward Jun 2014 #40

seems like you've found your own truth.. frylock Jun 2014 #47

Here's an excellent link to the hidden agendas of the most vocal unit members riderinthestorm Jun 2014 #39

Yes, everyone is rotten except Bergdahl. former9thward Jun 2014 #42

Well it turns out these guys are pretty damn rotten. Documentedly so. riderinthestorm Jun 2014 #51

The Army enlisted a low quality recruit who washed out of Coast Guard training after three weeks. MADem Jun 2014 #101

For someone critical of me for making assumptions you are making quite a few yourself. former9thward Jun 2014 #107

I'm not making assumptions--he washed out of USCG training. That's not in dispute. MADem Jun 2014 #110

They get paid appearance fees riderinthestorm Jun 2014 #28

The Army hasn't accused him of desertion. Moosepoop Jun 2014 #32

That is what they are investigating now. former9thward Jun 2014 #38

Exactly. They are investigating, so no conclusions yet. Moosepoop Jun 2014 #49

I don't think they'll charge him with desertion for reasons I have outlined elsewhere. MADem Jun 2014 #59

actually they were given a trip to NYC riverwalker Jun 2014 #88

Yes, I get the meme. former9thward Jun 2014 #95

This message was self-deleted by its author frylock Jun 2014 #98

Really? blackspade Jun 2014 #121

the same "senior former official" riverwalker Jun 2014 #89

What they charge him with will depend on how long it took for the Taliban to capture him jmowreader Jun 2014 #56

AWOL is different than desertion. AWOL is usually NPJ at worse. haele Jun 2014 #62

I certainly agree there are many internal complications. former9thward Jun 2014 #65

Cody Full is an asshole riverwalker Jun 2014 #90

I would love to see everyone get a polygraph. former9thward Jun 2014 #96

yeah awol heaven05 Jun 2014 #87

Who is saying he deserted? Not the military and not the US government. pnwmom Jun 2014 #112

Good! Tarheel_Dem Jun 2014 #13

issa will prob include him now in the irs hearings dembotoz Jun 2014 #17

Let's wait on judgment KAM1 Jun 2014 #25

If what's... DirtyDawg Jun 2014 #26

As long as you are slandering Vietnam POWs tell us former9thward Jun 2014 #34

McCain read below uwep Jun 2014 #58

No links I see. former9thward Jun 2014 #60

McCain said himself in his memoir "Faith of my Fathers" that he gave too much info initially riderinthestorm Jun 2014 #64

I have been to Hoa Lo prison in Hanoi twice. former9thward Jun 2014 #68

I'm giving you McCain's own words. This isn't a smear. He admits he gave up a lot to get med care riderinthestorm Jun 2014 #70

I don't know what happened with Bergdahl. former9thward Jun 2014 #72

Then stop the shit about Army "whitewash" and "desertion" riderinthestorm Jun 2014 #74

I don't believe I have cited any sources. former9thward Jun 2014 #78

I am not very active on DU uwep Jun 2014 #81

Thank you. former9thward Jun 2014 #91

Iam Not a McCain fan uwep Jun 2014 #73

I didn't bring McCain into the discussion. former9thward Jun 2014 #75

Uhm, you've already said that any Army investigation that clears him is a "whitewash" riderinthestorm Jun 2014 #86

Did not say that. former9thward Jun 2014 #94

I hope this helps. uwep Jun 2014 #69

See my post above yours. former9thward Jun 2014 #71

Not sure I get it... Helen Borg Jun 2014 #35

This is great news Gothmog Jun 2014 #52

This excellent Dopers_Greed Jun 2014 #53

When a lawless nation goes on undeclared wars nilesobek Jun 2014 #54

the right could not wait to pounce barbtries Jun 2014 #61

So the Right will fight against him receiving his back pay of $200,000? Is this what it has come to? YOHABLO Jun 2014 #63

If he deserted, why in the world would he be held captive? Kingofalldems Jun 2014 #76

Damn, we'll always have Benghazi. SummerSnow Jun 2014 #83

I wonder what it is like working on that POS car in the background with a fundie snooper2 Jun 2014 #100

I don't think the car is broken--the raised hood is a signal to the helicopters that they're in the MADem Jun 2014 #103

For some reason, I'm happy to read this. LanternWaste Jun 2014 #104

Isn't the bottom line that he should have never been in the army. olegramps Jun 2014 #114

he will NOT have to face military law until he is totally done with his rehab. That could take Sunlei Jun 2014 #115

kick bigtree Jun 2014 #116

Speculation ReRe Jun 2014 #117

Be sure to send this to Fox Noise, Drudge and the rest of the Cleita Jun 2014 #118

He still hasn't spoken to his parents. I still think he's a broken man. Hekate Jun 2014 #120