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73. Iam Not a McCain fan

Wed Jun 25, 2014, 07:22 PM

Jun 2014

and when you brought his name into the discussion it raise a red flag with me. I did not go to North Vietnam, I just heard and read articles and saved them at the time. I do not want to go any further, because no matter what I say and how I back it up, it will not be believed as it was back then.

I think that Sgt. Berghdahl deserves the same consideration.

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Army Clears Bergdahl of Any Misconduct During Captivity [View all] kpete Jun 2014 OP

"We have no reason to believe that he engaged in any misconduct." mbperrin Jun 2014 #1

They'll just blame Obama for forcing the army to lie lunatica Jun 2014 #14

That's what I see on Facebook... Blanks Jun 2014 #21

Heads explode at Free Republic PeoViejo Jun 2014 #2

It's all Obama forcing the Army to back down so he can save face lunatica Jun 2014 #15

Why would he have to return his pay? n/t FSogol Jun 2014 #3

Desertion. former9thward Jun 2014 #4

He was just cleared of all charges, correct? FSogol Jun 2014 #10

No, cleared of wrong doing WHILE a captive. leftcoastloon Jun 2014 #11

They can't prove that he wasn't out "strolling around" as he had several times before. AAO Jun 2014 #29

No Andy823 Jun 2014 #12

NO....he was captured BEFORE he could legally be -- or was -- declared a deserter. MADem Jun 2014 #57

Thanks. I doubt the army will charge him with anything. n/t FSogol Jun 2014 #67

Have you ever conducted a Line of Duty investigation? I have a handful under my belt. If his 24601 Jun 2014 #80

Bergdahl had a history of going out on walks. And returning. With no reprimand riderinthestorm Jun 2014 #84

That could have relevance for determining lack of intent to remain away permanently; however, 24601 Jun 2014 #97

Yes, I have-I've been a Preliminary Inquiry Officer on dozens of investigations, I have MADem Jun 2014 #99

Very informative. Thank you. emsimon33 Jun 2014 #119

You and I must know the same guy. My guy went throught the winshield of a shipmate's car on ..... marble falls Jun 2014 #106

Jeff & I were Army. I'm guessing that probably because of his injuries, there wasn't an Article 15. 24601 Jun 2014 #111

Those were the days. Another one I remember fom New London was two sailors in the trunk ..... marble falls Jun 2014 #113

Damn a bad couple of days for the CRAZIES on the right Iliyah Jun 2014 #5

He was disillusioned, for good reason, wondered off his post probably to get high randys1 Jun 2014 #6

I read that he was kind of a loner AAO Jun 2014 #30

"Bergdahl electrified the national discourse last month" PSPS Jun 2014 #7

Can his hometown have its celebration now? KansDem Jun 2014 #8

I don't know, but damn that is a gorgeous picture npk Jun 2014 #55

Unless he was restricted to base... yallerdawg Jun 2014 #9

Desertion is a crime. former9thward Jun 2014 #16

Desertion? yallerdawg Jun 2014 #18

He was not cleared. former9thward Jun 2014 #22

ARMY - CLEARED - BERGDAHL yallerdawg Jun 2014 #33

YOU CAN SHOUT IT ALL YOU WANT. former9thward Jun 2014 #36

Jesus fucking christ, you've already decided he's guilty. If he's cleared, its an Army "whitewash" riderinthestorm Jun 2014 #41

And you have already decided he is innocent ... former9thward Jun 2014 #44

I prefer to get a clearer picture before I accuse anyone, even the Army. riderinthestorm Jun 2014 #50

He IS innocent until proven otherwise. LuvLoogie Jun 2014 #82

I don't need cover but thanks for the suggestion. former9thward Jun 2014 #92

As I've said elsewhere, the Army owns a lot of the "blame" in this mess. MADem Jun 2014 #102

Am I in a no-spin zone? yallerdawg Jun 2014 #43

that's disgusting heaven05 Jun 2014 #77

They have a history. former9thward Jun 2014 #79

No I remember a lot heaven05 Jun 2014 #85

Agree with everything you said. former9thward Jun 2014 #93

have they designated him as a deserter? frylock Jun 2014 #19

No, they are investigating that. former9thward Jun 2014 #23

but in the meantime, you'll go ahead and tag him with that label.. frylock Jun 2014 #45

Nope, I have not called him a deserter in any of my posts. former9thward Jun 2014 #46

you've implied as much frylock Jun 2014 #48

Give up. Frustrating isn't it? It's 840high Jun 2014 #66

I am never frustrated and I never give up. former9thward Jun 2014 #109

Merely that you will be disappointed if he is cleared of as such. LanternWaste Jun 2014 #105

If he is not cleared will you complain? former9thward Jun 2014 #108

Yes actually. Soldiers had wandered off before, including Bergdahl, in that area without punishment riderinthestorm Jun 2014 #20

I'm sure you have evidence of them being paid. former9thward Jun 2014 #24

You are misusing the term "deserted". phleshdef Jun 2014 #27

I have no doubt the army will whitewash this. former9thward Jun 2014 #31

I don't believe anything yet. But you seem to have an agenda against Bergdahl. phleshdef Jun 2014 #37

My agenda is the truth. former9thward Jun 2014 #40

seems like you've found your own truth.. frylock Jun 2014 #47

Here's an excellent link to the hidden agendas of the most vocal unit members riderinthestorm Jun 2014 #39

Yes, everyone is rotten except Bergdahl. former9thward Jun 2014 #42

Well it turns out these guys are pretty damn rotten. Documentedly so. riderinthestorm Jun 2014 #51

The Army enlisted a low quality recruit who washed out of Coast Guard training after three weeks. MADem Jun 2014 #101

For someone critical of me for making assumptions you are making quite a few yourself. former9thward Jun 2014 #107

I'm not making assumptions--he washed out of USCG training. That's not in dispute. MADem Jun 2014 #110

They get paid appearance fees riderinthestorm Jun 2014 #28

The Army hasn't accused him of desertion. Moosepoop Jun 2014 #32

That is what they are investigating now. former9thward Jun 2014 #38

Exactly. They are investigating, so no conclusions yet. Moosepoop Jun 2014 #49

I don't think they'll charge him with desertion for reasons I have outlined elsewhere. MADem Jun 2014 #59

actually they were given a trip to NYC riverwalker Jun 2014 #88

Yes, I get the meme. former9thward Jun 2014 #95

This message was self-deleted by its author frylock Jun 2014 #98

Really? blackspade Jun 2014 #121

the same "senior former official" riverwalker Jun 2014 #89

What they charge him with will depend on how long it took for the Taliban to capture him jmowreader Jun 2014 #56

AWOL is different than desertion. AWOL is usually NPJ at worse. haele Jun 2014 #62

I certainly agree there are many internal complications. former9thward Jun 2014 #65

Cody Full is an asshole riverwalker Jun 2014 #90

I would love to see everyone get a polygraph. former9thward Jun 2014 #96

yeah awol heaven05 Jun 2014 #87

Who is saying he deserted? Not the military and not the US government. pnwmom Jun 2014 #112

Good! Tarheel_Dem Jun 2014 #13

issa will prob include him now in the irs hearings dembotoz Jun 2014 #17

Let's wait on judgment KAM1 Jun 2014 #25

If what's... DirtyDawg Jun 2014 #26

As long as you are slandering Vietnam POWs tell us former9thward Jun 2014 #34

McCain read below uwep Jun 2014 #58

No links I see. former9thward Jun 2014 #60

McCain said himself in his memoir "Faith of my Fathers" that he gave too much info initially riderinthestorm Jun 2014 #64

I have been to Hoa Lo prison in Hanoi twice. former9thward Jun 2014 #68

I'm giving you McCain's own words. This isn't a smear. He admits he gave up a lot to get med care riderinthestorm Jun 2014 #70

I don't know what happened with Bergdahl. former9thward Jun 2014 #72

Then stop the shit about Army "whitewash" and "desertion" riderinthestorm Jun 2014 #74

I don't believe I have cited any sources. former9thward Jun 2014 #78

I am not very active on DU uwep Jun 2014 #81

Thank you. former9thward Jun 2014 #91

Iam Not a McCain fan uwep Jun 2014 #73

I didn't bring McCain into the discussion. former9thward Jun 2014 #75

Uhm, you've already said that any Army investigation that clears him is a "whitewash" riderinthestorm Jun 2014 #86

Did not say that. former9thward Jun 2014 #94

I hope this helps. uwep Jun 2014 #69

See my post above yours. former9thward Jun 2014 #71

Not sure I get it... Helen Borg Jun 2014 #35

This is great news Gothmog Jun 2014 #52

This excellent Dopers_Greed Jun 2014 #53

When a lawless nation goes on undeclared wars nilesobek Jun 2014 #54

the right could not wait to pounce barbtries Jun 2014 #61

So the Right will fight against him receiving his back pay of $200,000? Is this what it has come to? YOHABLO Jun 2014 #63

If he deserted, why in the world would he be held captive? Kingofalldems Jun 2014 #76

Damn, we'll always have Benghazi. SummerSnow Jun 2014 #83

I wonder what it is like working on that POS car in the background with a fundie snooper2 Jun 2014 #100

I don't think the car is broken--the raised hood is a signal to the helicopters that they're in the MADem Jun 2014 #103

For some reason, I'm happy to read this. LanternWaste Jun 2014 #104

Isn't the bottom line that he should have never been in the army. olegramps Jun 2014 #114

he will NOT have to face military law until he is totally done with his rehab. That could take Sunlei Jun 2014 #115

kick bigtree Jun 2014 #116

Speculation ReRe Jun 2014 #117

Be sure to send this to Fox Noise, Drudge and the rest of the Cleita Jun 2014 #118

He still hasn't spoken to his parents. I still think he's a broken man. Hekate Jun 2014 #120