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SamAdams1234

(13 posts)
13. True, witnesses are not reliable always
Tue Mar 27, 2012, 10:25 AM
Mar 2012

But if the story jives up with what Zimmerman reported, there creates a HUGE problem for prosecutors. They cannot prosecute a case on emotion - they need real evidence.
From what I can tell, there are still some gaps that will probably come out at some point, including:
How does the conversation with the girlfriend match up timewise with the events? Police should be able to match up the exact time the 911 calls were made with the cell records of the girl to determine if she was on the phone with him as the altercation was taking place or right before.
Did the supposed witness call 911? If he did, and recounted immediately what he had seen, his words hold much greater weight.
Is there any witness to the altercation as it began? Did anyone witness the first punch?
Will the autopsy reveal injuries to Martin besides a gunshot? If so, gives little credence to Zimmerman's account that he was punched and then was helplessly beat up.
Were the cries for help from Zimmerman or Martin? Surely would seem odd for Zimmerman to yell out and draw attention to a situation if he was intending on killing someone in cold blood.

These are just some gaps in info - there are way more questions than answers at this point, and I just hope there isn't lost lives or injury in the meantime as people's emotions run high. The FBI, Justice Dept, State of FL, etc are looking into this thing, so chances are if an arrest is to be made, it will happen.

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What exactly is the major development here? nt naaman fletcher Mar 2012 #1
What exactly is the major development here? AlbertCat Mar 2012 #3
He was 17 itsrobert Mar 2012 #65
The major development isn't mentioned in the snippet for some reason SamAdams1234 Mar 2012 #4
witnesses back up most of Zimmerman's account. AlbertCat Mar 2012 #10
True, witnesses are not reliable always SamAdams1234 Mar 2012 #13
It still gets back to WHY Zimmerman followed Martin in the first place Blue_Tires Mar 2012 #29
And if it isn't exposed as BS and there is a witness to back it up SamAdams1234 Mar 2012 #38
it will be...bank on it Blue_Tires Mar 2012 #47
Different witnesses are telling different stories - and none are sworn in a court of law. yardwork Mar 2012 #33
If Zimmerman's nose was broken and his head smashed KurtNYC Mar 2012 #19
At least one early report indicated he was bleeding from the head. AtheistCrusader Mar 2012 #22
If the police had done a proper investigation and collected evidence in the first place yardwork Mar 2012 #36
"How do we distinguish between facts, and disinfo..." rayofreason Mar 2012 #69
There is evidence of that, absolutely, check out the publicly available police report SamAdams1234 Mar 2012 #23
"bleeding" doesn't mean "broken" Blue_Tires Mar 2012 #35
I haven't seem the paramedics or medical reports, have you? SamAdams1234 Mar 2012 #48
no speculation... Blue_Tires Mar 2012 #50
The witnesses that have come forth have all mentioned,WITH THE EXCEPTION of Ecumenist Mar 2012 #37
yes and that begs the question -- he is bleeding, head trauma and there is EMT right there... KurtNYC Mar 2012 #61
The police report has that informatin in it. krispos42 Mar 2012 #45
The condition of Martin's clothes could corroborate or deflate Zimmerman's MD20 Mar 2012 #62
What about Trayvon's hands MD20 Mar 2012 #57
Another new development would be the coroner's note on Trayvon's hands. MD20 Mar 2012 #60
The police claim witnesses back up most of Zimmerman's account? Blue_Tires Mar 2012 #27
Witnesses that the polizia approve of lark Mar 2012 #64
If Martin punched Zimmerman Bluzmann57 Mar 2012 #2
Who was doing the chasing is important then zeemike Mar 2012 #5
This could be why Trayvon called 911 Ian David Mar 2012 #6
Which counters early reports SamAdams1234 Mar 2012 #14
He could also have conference-called them both at the same time. My phone does that. n/t Ian David Mar 2012 #16
Perhaps, but then wouldn't the girlfriend have mentioned that? Seems like a big detail to leave out SamAdams1234 Mar 2012 #21
No, it doesn't. Not at all. Ecumenist Mar 2012 #40
Now THAT is new news leftynyc Mar 2012 #17
We don't have any reason to believe that Trayvon knew that Zimmerman had a gun at that point slackmaster Mar 2012 #9
You mean he was carrying "concealed"? Remmah2 Mar 2012 #15
Agreed but the problem for Martin is SamAdams1234 Mar 2012 #20
what third party are you talking about? Blue_Tires Mar 2012 #30
A witness claims he arrived on the scene SamAdams1234 Mar 2012 #34
The new york post? Blue_Tires Mar 2012 #43
Would you give your name??? New Black Panthers would certainly add to the bounty list SamAdams1234 Mar 2012 #49
Why not? Evidently any black person can be shot on sight in that neighborhood so he's safe Blue_Tires Mar 2012 #52
I don't know what they have SamAdams1234 Mar 2012 #54
assuming anyone took you seriously... Blue_Tires Mar 2012 #58
Uhm kenfrequed Mar 2012 #44
I'm just having fun with him...There are a couple of new ones every day Blue_Tires Mar 2012 #53
What 3rd Party? The person who gave his "eyewitness testimony" SAW Ecumenist Mar 2012 #41
And Travon was killed in a different location that where the altercation took place. fifthoffive Mar 2012 #56
Sounds an awful lot like they have been trying to make a story fit the facts Horse with no Name Mar 2012 #7
they have been trying to do that since the first night Blue_Tires Mar 2012 #25
So a month later we hear this? LynneSin Mar 2012 #8
Agreed kenfrequed Mar 2012 #12
It's so fricking fishy, Long John Silvers wants to take it and fry it up LynneSin Mar 2012 #24
People selectively leaked certain info early SamAdams1234 Mar 2012 #28
Nonsense. The police report has been around for weeks - it talks about Zimmerman's injuries. yardwork Mar 2012 #42
Agreed. The police are the ones who are now selectively leaking information tabatha Mar 2012 #51
They want to make us believe that a kid that weighed less than a hundred pounds Rozlee Mar 2012 #39
160 lbs, 6 ft. rayofreason Mar 2012 #70
And the sad thing about Iliyah Mar 2012 #11
Zimmerman needs to man up to what he did and stop making shit up. gtar100 Mar 2012 #18
the allegations in that "major development" are already a few days old Blue_Tires Mar 2012 #26
WTF??!! Why are these outlets reporting these things as if they're gospel Ecumenist Mar 2012 #31
It's an easy fix at the state or federal level. Prosecute the cops for conspiracy... saras Mar 2012 #32
The state's first move was to try to justify Zimmerman EFerrari Mar 2012 #46
The mob still wants a hanging anyway. L0oniX Mar 2012 #55
Nah, right now I'd just settle for an arrest Blue_Tires Mar 2012 #63
So this 250 lb guy was knocked to the ground in one punch and then K8-EEE Mar 2012 #59
Major development: Sanford Police dept. spews more bullshit n/t Enrique Mar 2012 #66
My big question abour Zimmerman's story is avebury Mar 2012 #67
so zimmerman made a move for his waistband? frylock Mar 2012 #68
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