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Igel

(37,588 posts)
9. Simple enough to test.
Wed Jul 2, 2014, 12:53 PM
Jul 2014

Look at what the mission was.

Look at what the mission is.

Is there a change?

If the mission is "protect the embassy and its immediate environs for the safety of diplomats and workers", okay. That's the mission. If "environs" starts off meaning "10 blocks in any direction from embassy walls" and a month later means "up to 100 miles from embassy walls" it's mission creep because the terms of the mission have changed.

But the same mission can be done with a pop-gun, a few hundred Marines, with Predator drones, or with a tank division. The problem is the temptation to use the tank division in ways that a couple hundred Marines could never be used. That's standard mission creep--repurposing materiel and troops. If the drones that are missile-capable are kept near the embassy and not moved out to hit targets on a more distant battlefield, no mission creep.

In this case there were two missions. One was embassy protection. The other was advising, which I'll grant can easily include intelligence analysis and wandering around among the troops and near the battlefield for the purpose of collecting information. If drones are used to help collect data and not target the enemy, that's also not mission creep.

The main difficulty is not letting the term "mission creep" undergo extensive "definition creep" so that we condemn it as evil when it has one meaning, get used to condemning "mission creep," and reflexively continue to condemn mission creep when it's taken on an entirely different meaning. It's an informal fallacy to shift definitions mid-argument and assume that somehow the argument still is valid.

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They denied the same 50 years ago too. hobbit709 Jul 2014 #1
The more things change, old guy Jul 2014 #2
I understand the threat from Isis gwheezie Jul 2014 #3
Intel Lrobby99 Jul 2014 #6
laughable reddread Jul 2014 #7
Welcome to the DU Lrobby99!! CountAllVotes Jul 2014 #8
I don't SamKnause Jul 2014 #4
I don't believe ANYONE in ballyhoo Jul 2014 #5
Simple enough to test. Igel Jul 2014 #9
They say it will be 750 men. BobbyBoring Jul 2014 #10
hey, where's all the "not a shot fired," "no boots on the ground," "what Surge?" "what SOFA?" types? MisterP Jul 2014 #11
How can Obama be so fucking stupid? lark Jul 2014 #12
Well, it'd be pretty stupid to allow our embassy to be surrounded and TwilightGardener Jul 2014 #13
800 troops aren't needed to protect one embassy lark Jul 2014 #14
Not all of them are there to protect the embassy. Some are gathering intel. TwilightGardener Jul 2014 #17
TwilightGardener lark Jul 2014 #28
You alreadyknow what's going to happen, ballyhoo Jul 2014 #23
So you're up for sending as many troops as necessary to ballyhoo Jul 2014 #15
At some point you have to trust the President nt hack89 Jul 2014 #18
Sorry, I lost too many good friends in Iraq to ballyhoo Jul 2014 #19
Well, would another Benghazi incident be helpful? TwilightGardener Jul 2014 #24
Of course not. The Democrats are hoping and praying he does not; the ballyhoo Jul 2014 #25
300, 500, 650, 1000, 1500, 2500, 3000, 3500, 4500, 5000, ... They're hoping we won't notice!!! blkmusclmachine Jul 2014 #16
Exactly. But we will notice. Even when it isn't ballyhoo Jul 2014 #20
Three words: Nobel Peace Prize. n/t Psephos Jul 2014 #21
Every pro-war/boondoggler should have to do one thing, as many times as necessary reddread Jul 2014 #22
Same old same old....nothing but complaining bradla Jul 2014 #26
Welcome to DU! reddread Jul 2014 #27
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