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JDPriestly

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11. How many bunches of children do you think the US should accept?
Thu Jul 3, 2014, 04:01 PM
Jul 2014

I favor granting citizenship to those young people who were raised in the US and are here.

I live in Los Angeles and I love my immigrant neighbors. We have immigrants in our family -- come recent ones although my family goes way back.

But, we are getting immigrants often college-aged from all over the world, from Asian countries like China, from Africa, from Latin America, from Europe (yes, from Europe. You don't see them, but they too come illegally in some cases. I know some.), from the Middle East. We get students who overstay their visas or who come on student visas and then look for some sort of a job and then have a baby and stay.

The numbers of immigrants coming to a country in which we are already suffering from an economic crisis, low wages and too few jobs? Immigration is great in times when the economy is good and jobs plentiful. That is not the case now. It isn't that the immigrants are bad. It is that our economy is in no condition to absorb them or take care of their needs.

And this immigration problem is not just in the US. The recent European election results in which in countries like France bigoted right-wing parties increased their share of the vote show that immigration is an international problem.

The idea of a global economy sounds idealistic. But in reality, it rapidly pushes indigenous people into lifestyles and economic realities that in turn push them out. The idea of the global economy has meant a lower standard of living for most people, lower than the new technologies would suggest it should be.

The heart says to have compassion for these children, and that is good. But the problem is far more challenging than that.

First, countries that are throwing their children out or scaring them out or harassing them out or that are not taking care of their own children need to be held responsible for the futures of their kids. Mexico sends illegal immigrants to the US in large numbers. They are economic immigrants. Remember. The richest man in the world is from Mexico. The disparity of wealth in Mexico means that Mexico has an extremely wealthy class and many very poor people. That is where disparity in incomes if allowed to follow its natural course leads.

Second, we need an international program on family planning. No family or nation has the right to have more children than it can reasonably provide for. Every child deserves at least to have a possibility of survival. At the same time, the earth does not have limitless resources, and our technology is also limited in terms of what it can help us provide.

So we should have compassion but that compassion should reach to resolving problems in the countries that are pushing their children out into our country. The Pope does not demonstrate compassion when he talks about charity for the poor but encourages families and entire countries to have children they cannot possibly provide for.

I do not oppose immigration, but these kids present serious problems. They are not prepared to take care of themselves in our society. What skills do they bring with them? What education? How will they make a living? Who is going to take care of them?

If they are escaping violence and gangs, they have come to the wrong place because we have more than enough of violence and gangs here.

The answer is not simply to give the kids a hug and offer them a hotel room. That would be easy. That is what we have done to some extent since the Reagan era. But it is much more complex than that.

When my ancestors came here, they could work and then buy land of their own. That is no longer possible. When the post-WWII immigrants through the administration of GWB came, there were jobs for them. There was hope. But what can we offer these newcomers when our own children are hard-pressed to repay their student loans on their pay in service jobs. We do not have a manufacturing sector that can hire as much unskilled labor as the world can send to our shores.

We need to have a rational discussion about this, an international discussion. This is not just an American problem.

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Just make sure the protesters don't have a clear shot at the plane... onehandle Jul 2014 #1
Now isn't that lovely. What are they going to do, shoot a bunch of children? mountain grammy Jul 2014 #2
I'd bet that fool is anti-choice too get the red out Jul 2014 #3
How many bunches of children do you think the US should accept? JDPriestly Jul 2014 #11
Yes, there is a big picture here and yes, we need to have a rational discussion mountain grammy Jul 2014 #14
We need to require countries that produce a lot of refugees to assist in caring for them. JDPriestly Jul 2014 #18
All of them. jeff47 Jul 2014 #17
There is a process for sending people to reunite with relatives in the US. JDPriestly Jul 2014 #19
It isn't being followed because they will no longer be minors jeff47 Jul 2014 #32
Thank you. nt littlemissmartypants Jul 2014 #34
Methinks you don't quite understand just how bad of a situation they are fleeing. JDPriestly Jul 2014 #35
You're missing the bigger picture Spouting Horn Jul 2014 #25
Our mature generation can come to grips with the issues Babel_17 Jul 2014 #28
Sure, but: Spider Jerusalem Jul 2014 #37
Those are some of the internatonal problems that we need to deal with together. JDPriestly Jul 2014 #38
Not *just* exploitation. Spider Jerusalem Jul 2014 #39
So much hate herding cats Jul 2014 #4
The signs are awful. But the problem these children pose to the world is much worse. JDPriestly Jul 2014 #20
I don't advocate that all immigrants should be allowed in. herding cats Jul 2014 #23
Immigrant children who have lived and attended school in the US should be allowed to stay. JDPriestly Jul 2014 #36
They're taking them to Texas? MynameisBlarney Jul 2014 #5
Yeah, because California treated them so Goddamned well. Paladin Jul 2014 #16
They sent them to the wrong part of California. JDPriestly Jul 2014 #21
They were sent from Texas originally if I'm not mistaken. herding cats Jul 2014 #24
El Paso to Houston. Igel Jul 2014 #33
Don't knock all Texans - Dallas have opened its heart to these children dem in texas Jul 2014 #6
I am also proud of Dallas angel823 Jul 2014 #9
I'm proud of them too! mountain grammy Jul 2014 #15
Dallas stepped up! (nt) Babel_17 Jul 2014 #30
Oh this is going to turn out well. This whole debacle will be a rallying cry Purveyor Jul 2014 #7
Yesterday... SoapBox Jul 2014 #8
Are they flying in from Central America amandabeech Jul 2014 #10
We did not know... SoapBox Jul 2014 #12
This business with children and teens coming on their own is really troubling. amandabeech Jul 2014 #22
After thinking about it... SoapBox Jul 2014 #26
That's pretty funny! amandabeech Jul 2014 #31
This message was self-deleted by its author davidpdx Jul 2014 #13
Kind of confused with your post: freshwest Jul 2014 #27
Thank you. amandabeech Jul 2014 #29
children heading for murietta california need our protection. jonjensen Jul 2014 #40
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