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In reply to the discussion: Sheriff, Feds: Rancher Must Be Held Accountable (Bundy) [View all]freshwest
(53,661 posts)No one EVER advocated killing the Bundies for illegal grazing. But their followers threatened to kill to keep on doing it. The lives of all concerned are worth saving, not just the lives of the Bundies and their followers, one of whom did kill two LEOs in Las Vegas. The Bundies are well armed, they aren't victims.
Force is not always lethal. But the threat of killing people over cattle grazing is okay to the Bundies and their militia pals. That distinction needs to be made and shouldn't be ignored.
Also the right of others in the area stolen by the Bundy gang to live their lives in peace, were abridged, and law was designed to protect them.
Equality of rights is not only for the wealthy, landowners or those who are well armed and threatening to kill others. Thus, some force was needed to stop them doing that, but the BLM was pulled off and the local sheriff may have been bought off or too frightened to act.
Two examples of how local authorities did not act to protect the liberties of less influential persons and their children:
Gay couple w/ 4 kids bullied in Arizona for months, kids threatened with gun
http://www.examiner.com/article/gay-couple-w-4-kids-bullied-arizona-for-months-kids-threatened-with-gun
http://www.democraticunderground.com/113717029
Gay Gilbert Couple terrorized, Police says it is their fault for being gay
http://archive.azcentral.com/video/1662294353001
http://www.democraticunderground.com/113714688
Note the comments on thread from the locals in the know:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/113714688#post6
http://www.democraticunderground.com/113714688#post15
We don't know why the sheriff said he was going to help the BLM carry out their lawful acts, then left them hanging. It may be they'll never enforce the law, and let the militias hold the area, although locals asked their elected representative to free them of armed roadblocks.
Some places are corrupted by religion and money. How many more miles of territory will be under their thumb in the years to come in the USA?
RWers want to divide the nation into easily ruled oligarchic holdings. Generations to come may forget laws about equality and civil rights and let armed gunmen tell them what to do. History does not always have a happy ending and there is no one coming to save us from our own apathy.
The Civil Rights era did not come without force being applied by government. That was about people and a number of federal troops lost their lives in the shootout with those willing to shoot federal authorities to maintain their powers over blacks.
No one is unaware of who is really being threatened. This is not about wildlife being more important than human life. It is about the power of federal law required to put people like the Bundies under the rule of law, not letting wannabe oligarchs get their way unfairly. It's not about cattle.
JMHO. YMMV.