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happyslug

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7. Could it be she delayed the decision for it was the only one she could make?
Tue Jul 8, 2014, 10:19 PM
Jul 2014

Last edited Wed Jul 9, 2014, 12:13 AM - Edit history (1)

Remember this is an Police Officer who fired his weapon. As a police officer he has NO duty to retreat and the law assumes if he fires his weapon he had just cause to do so. The DA not only has to prove he fired his weapon, but that it was uncalled for. Any questions of fact must be made in favor of the Police Officer. You may believe he had no just cause to do the shooting, but the law requires the DA to PROVE beyond a reasonable doubt that he had no reason to do the shooting.

In cases with civilians, most states require the Shooter to show they had just cause to do the shooting. i.e. the burden of proof in on the civilian shooter NOT the DA to show justification. This includes even the new Stand your grounds laws require SOME evidence of justification for the shooting, (you can not just pull a gun and shoot someone, you have to be able to say you had some reason to do so). Police do not even have to show that level of evidence, all they have to say is they reacted as they were trained in such situations and unless you have evidence beyond a reasonable doubt that the Officer did NOT follow what he was trained to do , he walks. If you can show the Officer did not do as he was trained, you then have to prove the Actions was unreasonable, remember all questions of fact is in favor of the Officer in any Criminal Trial, thus if the action comes under any definition of being reasonable, he walks.

Worse, Police Officers can claim the right not to incriminate themselves and thus NOT say what happened and the DA then has to go by the evidence she does have and any question of fact must be made in favor of the Officer. This rule also applies to Civilian Cases, but in cases of Civilians while the burden of proof in on the DA to show no right to self defense, but any doubts as to that issue is left to the jury to decide.

In simple terms, it is very hard to convict a Police Officer of misuse of his firearm in any criminal procedure. You have to have video of him slowly pulling his gun, slowing taking aim and shooting the victim as he stood they doing nothing (and a couple of eye witnesses to back up that video). Anything less is NOT enough.

Thus, the DA did what was required of her, dismiss this case. That does NOT relieve the officer of liability, he can still be sued for then the burden of proof is no longer beyond a reasonable doubt but preponderance of the evidence and given all criminal charges have been dropped he can be force to testify to what happened. Thus the best solution is to "Sue the Bastard".

Now, I have read the report, and it appears the first shot fired missed, the second shot fired just grazed the victim. The killing shots were the remaining five rounds and they appear to hit the victim as he fell to the ground. Thus was he a threat to the police officers? Probably not, but in a CRIMINAL case I do not see how the bullets hit the victim can show he was incapable of returning fire and thus what the police officer did was justified as self defense.

On the other hand, in a CIVIL SUIT, that the Victim was falling to the ground when he was hit by the killing rounds implies he was complying with the police order and thus he was acting accordingly to what he had been told to do and thus those shots were unreasonable excess firing. In a Civil Suit that would be enough for a jury to rule in favor of the victim's family on the grounds the eight shots fired were excessive given the situation taken as a whole. That the Police could have be equipped with revolvers that require more effort to fire and restricted to six rounds can also be brought up on the grounds this victim was killed by the policy of that police department to equip its police with Automatics rather then Revolvers.

I am sorry, but the DA did a decent report, leaves a lot for an Attorney to use to get a Judgement against the Police Department for not training their officers properly and for not equipping them properly.

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That DA will be Mr.Bill Jul 2014 #1
She's had this case for months. She ducked it until after the election. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2014 #2
Could it be she delayed the decision for it was the only one she could make? happyslug Jul 2014 #7
A Cop who spent 3 days deleting internet post after the shooting FreakinDJ Jul 2014 #26
Why am I not liberalhistorian Jul 2014 #31
No justice, no peace. Santa Rosa may be quite interesting tonight. I may have to check it out. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2014 #3
Keep up with tonight's events: https://twitter.com/hashtag/AndyLopez Comrade Grumpy Jul 2014 #4
well, she has to get up tomorrow morning hopemountain Jul 2014 #5
What a surprise..... blackspade Jul 2014 #6
Here is her official Press Release which includes a reference to get a PDF copy of the report happyslug Jul 2014 #8
Nothing in a car will stop a rifle round Lurks Often Jul 2014 #10
Look at the photos in the report, the engine block was between the police and the victim happyslug Jul 2014 #12
ill tell you where the "known gang area" is reddread Jul 2014 #16
I live in Rural Pennsylvania, someone walking down the road with an AK would be considered normal. happyslug Jul 2014 #18
then explain any defense of the murder of a 13 year old? reddread Jul 2014 #21
As I said before, and as stated in the Report of the DA, this was a justified Killing NOT murder happyslug Jul 2014 #23
until we can randomly stop and search Law Enforcement vehicles for hidden weapons/"evidence" reddread Jul 2014 #24
I'd loved to see Blue_Tires Jul 2014 #29
The same, if a 13 year old white boy was carrying what the police thought was an AK. happyslug Jul 2014 #30
I have made the explanation before, an AK is NOT illegal in Pennsylvania. happyslug Jul 2014 #25
theyll kill ya for wielding a cell phone reddread Jul 2014 #27
There's no point in arguing or trying to liberalhistorian Jul 2014 #32
not so sure about that reddread Jul 2014 #33
Or, so I sniff badges, as least I am TRYING to change things, not just complain. happyslug Jul 2014 #34
"a known gang area." That's code for a poor, predominantly Latino neighborhood. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2014 #20
Area = poor, Gang = Latino, Known = Drugs happyslug Jul 2014 #22
Another example of why police officers should carry revolvers not automatics happyslug Jul 2014 #9
The kid was high on pot. Of course the cop blew him to kingdom come! KamaAina Jul 2014 #11
That is at the end of the report, the DA gave it no weight in her decision, but it is in the report happyslug Jul 2014 #13
Then why did Ravitch bring it up in her press conference as one of the main contributing factors? DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2014 #14
I did not review her new conference, but I suspect she was asked about drugs happyslug Jul 2014 #19
Using lethal force when it isn't needed seems to the norm ... olddad56 Jul 2014 #15
The Cops have a suicide help line here in Fresno reddread Jul 2014 #17
Expert witness in toy-gun case has history of siding with police KamaAina Jul 2014 #28
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