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54. So you can't answer the questions...

Mon Jul 14, 2014, 12:15 AM

Jul 2014

Strange you would open your message with that when you answered none of my questions.

One side intentionally targets civilians, one side attempts to minimize civilian casualties. Do you find that morally equivalent? Trying to equate number of killed on one side to number of killed on another and saying because you killed more people you are more in the wrong is like saying homicide and killing in self defense are morally the same. They are not.

If Israel is defending civilians against an enemy that is intentionally targeting civilians and Israel attempts to minimize civilian casualties in its response while accomplishing the mission, I'd say nothing. If Israel intentionally targeted civilians, like Hamas does, I'd say wait a second. Maybe the world should be saying that to Hamas now.

Ok, your turn. Answer my questions from both my posts.

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IAF Pilot calls off strike on Gaza target after spotting children nearby [View all] question everything Jul 2014 OP

THIS "knock on the roof" procedure? 1monster Jul 2014 #1

I for one applaud this change in policy Orrex Jul 2014 #2

No, the answer is that the terrorist org, Hamas, IronGate Jul 2014 #3

But until then, Israel should keep bombing Palestinian civilians? Orrex Jul 2014 #4

Well said. another_liberal Jul 2014 #11

Would you care to share with the class how long COLGATE4 Jul 2014 #12

How many Palestinian civilians do they get to kill before they're held responsible for it? Orrex Jul 2014 #14

That is the most specious argument I've heard today... PCIntern Jul 2014 #25

As opposed to the brave IDF bombing defenseless civilians. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2014 #31

It has 2 Recs, few are buying this propaganda. They will try again to make the pilots the victims. Fred Sanders Jul 2014 #34

^That Orrex Jul 2014 #39

Do you find it morally acceptable to bomb women and children to achieve a political goal? Orrex Jul 2014 #40

interesting melm00se Jul 2014 #63

You can't seriously see it as equivalent, can you? Orrex Jul 2014 #65

so if one has fewer options melm00se Jul 2014 #68

Again, do you see it as equivalent? Orrex Jul 2014 #73

Yep. I see no problem with convincing the citizens COLGATE4 Jul 2014 #67

Did we specifically bomb civilian targets in Afghanistan? Orrex Jul 2014 #69

No nation permits attacks against its population COLGATE4 Jul 2014 #71

Ergo, by your reasoning, Hamas is justified in its response Orrex Jul 2014 #72

Don't play games. I never used the term "stated intent". COLGATE4 Jul 2014 #74

Then you're setting up a straw man Orrex Jul 2014 #75

If they took the military measures that they should COLGATE4 Jul 2014 #79

I don't understand Orrex Jul 2014 #81

As long as they don't do much more than what they're COLGATE4 Jul 2014 #82

That's abominable Orrex Jul 2014 #83

Hamas can stop chucking rockets into Israel anytime it COLGATE4 Jul 2014 #84

The burden of restraint is on the greater military power Orrex Jul 2014 #86

To try and say that Hamas has shown COLGATE4 Jul 2014 #91

The attacks are not unprovoked Orrex Jul 2014 #94

Please point me to the legal source that COLGATE4 Jul 2014 #99

So you're of the "might makes right" mindset. Orrex Jul 2014 #103

I'm of the mindset that believes in "Show me". COLGATE4 Jul 2014 #104

Israel has shown great restraint. Calista241 Jul 2014 #102

Here's a thought: Ash_F Jul 2014 #36

+1. It's like telling the fish to get out the barrel before you drop in a hand grenade. GoneFishin Jul 2014 #41

Yes!!!! nt redwitch Jul 2014 #64

You should communicate that brilliant idea COLGATE4 Jul 2014 #66

Gotta keep' em with their kind huh? Ash_F Jul 2014 #78

If you're able to get past your preconcieved notions for COLGATE4 Jul 2014 #80

Sounds like "send them back to Africa". Point taken. /nt Ash_F Jul 2014 #88

Silly response nt COLGATE4 Jul 2014 #90

Blaming everyone but Israel? JackRiddler Jul 2014 #93

Whether you care to admit it or not COLGATE4 Jul 2014 #100

Yeah, and I am sure that bountiful free US military and financial aid is not connected GoneFishin Jul 2014 #105

You are aware that COLGATE4 Jul 2014 #108

According to who? Reporting is highly restricted. Why do you suppose none of this can be verified by GoneFishin Jul 2014 #109

None of this can be verified... COLGATE4 Jul 2014 #110

"Reporting highly restricted?" question everything Jul 2014 #113

Which border? question everything Jul 2014 #111

Why not both? /nt Ash_F Jul 2014 #112

Than say so. Instead of imply that it is Israel's fault question everything Jul 2014 #114

I don't know if you have been up with it, but the IDF has been bombing Gazan residents Ash_F Jul 2014 #115

How about just trying it for a week or a month? cali Jul 2014 #96

I think that "exercise restraint" thing has been tried. Rhinodawg Jul 2014 #98

Restraint? tjl148 Jul 2014 #13

Are you kidding? Orrex Jul 2014 #17

Reply tjl148 Jul 2014 #45

So you can't answer Orrex Jul 2014 #47

So you can't answer the questions... tjl148 Jul 2014 #54

Put simply, you're wrong Orrex Jul 2014 #61

Disagree tjl148 Jul 2014 #87

That's more propaganda Orrex Jul 2014 #89

Answers tjl148 Jul 2014 #95

Using missiles as antipersonnel in civilian areas is not restrained. Period. Scootaloo Jul 2014 #27

Agree tjl148 Jul 2014 #55

Agreed Scootaloo Jul 2014 #56

Militia versus an entire national army, they want you to think it is all in balance, but the math Fred Sanders Jul 2014 #16

so the militia should have free reign to fire rockets into israel? bossy22 Jul 2014 #21

...more Israeli dead would make you happier??? nt PCIntern Jul 2014 #26

A just peace for Palestine would make a lot of people happy. Not Israelis, though, apparently. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2014 #32

What an insipid comment... PCIntern Jul 2014 #33

Rather than more Israelis dead... Orrex Jul 2014 #48

Why did Israel start bombing? JackRiddler Jul 2014 #92

Another answer is for christx30 Jul 2014 #5

Really . . . another_liberal Jul 2014 #10

Get rid of the people christx30 Jul 2014 #22

And agree to spend the rest of your life as a homeless refugee . . . another_liberal Jul 2014 #23

You may have something there. So then no more homes will be bulldozed? GoneFishin Jul 2014 #43

And here comes the victim blame-train, toot toot! Scootaloo Jul 2014 #29

not policy propaganda snooper2 Jul 2014 #101

There is hardly a place in Gaza where there are not children. It's so overcrowded thanks to kelliekat44 Jul 2014 #6

Yes. Gaza is the 6th most densely populated region in the entire world. RufusTFirefly Jul 2014 #24

Call me cynical, but when I read this story, I'm reminded of this photo RufusTFirefly Jul 2014 #7

Glad not be the only one ... mallard Jul 2014 #60

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Jul 2014 #8

But those were Palestinian children . . . another_liberal Jul 2014 #9

The dozens killed, dead, never more were just some oops is. Sorry about that. Carry on. Fred Sanders Jul 2014 #20

Collective punishment is a war crime, a fact conveniently overlooked by the MSM RufusTFirefly Jul 2014 #30

Thank you for that quote . . . another_liberal Jul 2014 #42

Yes tjl148 Jul 2014 #57

Yes, but only after the champion offenders themselves . . . another_liberal Jul 2014 #62

Agree tjl148 Jul 2014 #85

Release a video of a house with a dozen residents ripped apart...for balance.....this is propaganda. Fred Sanders Jul 2014 #15

Oh they had this all lined up for the Sunday morning talk shows. Purveyor Jul 2014 #18

Propaganda? There's an app for that! Fred Sanders Jul 2014 #19

I commend this pilot Scootaloo Jul 2014 #28

+ 1 red dog 1 Jul 2014 #37

And I also comment this pilot tjl148 Jul 2014 #46

Only one DURec? Unmenacing Dennis Jul 2014 #35

No good deed goes unpunished Tetris_Iguana Jul 2014 #44

K&R...Thanks for posting red dog 1 Jul 2014 #38

too bad there aren't more like him in the field and in the command structure nt geek tragedy Jul 2014 #49

Am I the only one that thinks this was staged? A Simple Game Jul 2014 #50

No... Deuce Jul 2014 #52

more "purity of arms" bullcrap riverwalker Jul 2014 #51

He must have really good eyes. nt bemildred Jul 2014 #53

Good for the pilot. n/t. Ken Burch Jul 2014 #58

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2014 #59

I think of Rachel Corrie Evergreen Emerald Jul 2014 #70

I do too. nt kelliekat44 Jul 2014 #77

There is no resolution to this other than one group moving away from the other randys1 Jul 2014 #76

I've often wondered the same thing...Good post Rhinodawg Jul 2014 #97

Good on him! burrowowl Jul 2014 #106

Rule 190.... Hear everything.... Believe nothing. quadrature Jul 2014 #107