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happyslug

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63. You have NOT done much CYS work have you?
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 10:37 AM
Jul 2014

This happens all the time in the Public Schools system. You do not hear of it for when the victims come out, the school protects the abusers almost and at time better then the Catholic Church. Worse, when these do hit the court system, criminal charges tend to be minimal, just like in the Catholic Church for the victims either wait to long so any applicable Criminal statute of Limitations kicks in OR it becomes a he says, she says argument and such evidence is NOT beyond a Reasonable Doubt thus the Criminal Charge is dismissed.

In any Civil Litigation, the Catholic Church has a huge disadvantage, it has assets and can NOT claim Sovereign Immunity. Public Schools system yell Sovereign Immunity all the time. Sovereign Immunity is the concept that you can NOT sue the State for the State can do not wrong. You can sue the agents of the States or their sub-parts, but not the States or their sub parts themselves. Thus a victim can sue the teacher that molest them, they principal that covered it up, but NOT the school itself. When the Catholic Church is involved, the victim can sue the molester, the principal, the Parish Priest and the Bishop BUT ALSO THE DIOCESE ITSELF. It is the Diocese that has the assets to pay off a judgement, not the other defendants. The problem with Public Schools is the Public School System is exempt from the Judgment, you only get a judgement against the Victim, the School Principal, the members of the School Board, but NOT the School District itself. Since only the School District has the money to pay a judgement, Lawyers do not take these cases. Lawyers want to be paid, they get paid out of the Judgement when it is paid. The people defendants do NOT have the assets to pay the judgement so you have to look at the assets of the School, and when you deal with public schools, those assets are off limits.

Thus you do not hear of public schools being sued, for even if it can be proved that the victim was molested by a teacher and the School covered it up, the school itself will NOT have to pay for the harm done. Lawyers do NOT sue for damages against people who can never pay it for lawyers want paid.

Now, more recently the Boy Scouts have had similar problems and it is slowly coming out how much they covered up such incidents. The Boy Scouts have managed to avoid most litigation for the cover-ups have been at the local level only, or at least what has been revealed. The national Boy Scouts group is to coordinate local boy scout troops, but each troop is viewed as independent, Thus the National Boy Scout Troops can claim it is a different organization then the troop that employed a scout master who molested the boys in his troop. Thus such incidents have occurred in the Boy Scouts, but no where near the publicity of the Catholic Church, for the Catholic Church can PAY for the crimes of its priests, these other groups avoid paying for their local leaders crime by pointing out each troop is a separate and independent organization and each such organization does NOT have the assets to pay off the victims.

Just pointing out WHY you hear about the Catholic Church problems with these pedophiles and not other groups. The reason is simple, the Catholic Church can PAY for its Priests errors, but the other groups prefer to dissolve then fight such a lawsuit.

Now, let me say this. The Catholic Church has at least made an effort to address this problem, unlike other groups that have ignored them. Now, the Catholic Church did this in response to the various lawsuits they have lost but they have done something. Now most of what the Catholic Church has done will only be seen in 10-20 years, when the present series of lawsuits finally run they course AND the new rules reduce the number of such incidents (The Bishops have adopted a strict rule on removing priest who have been accused, even if there is no other evidence then one person's accusations). What the Bishops have done has been criticized by SNAP as not enough, but it is more then what other groups that deal with young people have done.

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Oh, only 2% that's all? Then there's no need to worry. SummerSnow Jul 2014 #1
Yep. My first thought was, "Whew, that's all huh?....... socialist_n_TN Jul 2014 #13
In fairness... DeadLetterOffice Jul 2014 #42
Clergy have confessions. graegoyle Jul 2014 #60
Oh, my. hlthe2b Jul 2014 #2
+1 Baitball Blogger Jul 2014 #17
Is this a joke?nt bravenak Jul 2014 #3
No. Apparently it's a real story... DonViejo Jul 2014 #6
Yeah - and just how long Plucketeer Jul 2014 #19
In all fairness the Vatican has all the information already lunatica Jul 2014 #21
I doubt that... DonViejo Jul 2014 #29
OK let me put it this way lunatica Jul 2014 #34
There is no way he can 'know'. bravenak Jul 2014 #30
The 2% is just the ones they know about... awoke_in_2003 Jul 2014 #33
Naw, the 2% he is referring to are just the scumbags that actually got CAUGHT. Bette R. Daize Jul 2014 #56
Oh wow "definitely is a problem but it is not a major one" ????? mountain grammy Jul 2014 #4
I believe he was refering to the problem of celibacy. DCBob Jul 2014 #48
That's one out of fifty. That didn't prove the point that he hoped it would. nt ladjf Jul 2014 #5
This number means nothing to a child who's being abused perdita9 Jul 2014 #7
Yes, this is THE most important point. JNelson6563 Jul 2014 #10
If he's that certain of the numbers, why are they not routing those criminals out at once? Bluenorthwest Jul 2014 #8
+1 DeadLetterOffice Jul 2014 #43
I call BS... Bryce Butler Jul 2014 #9
Unless one of them's fiddling you, in which case it's 100% . . . Journeyman Jul 2014 #11
Hmm... davidthegnome Jul 2014 #12
Your courage is greatly to be admired, and I thank you for sharing. classof56 Jul 2014 #20
Thanks.Very well stated. mahannah Jul 2014 #37
It makes me wonder what they were expecting if 2% does not equal a "major" problem. Gore1FL Jul 2014 #14
He still won't defrock Finn... Archae Jul 2014 #15
There's something like 400,000 priests Android3.14 Jul 2014 #16
What a relief. Here I was worried it was up to 2.2%. truthisfreedom Jul 2014 #18
Even 2% is too many. nt avebury Jul 2014 #22
Can I reduce my tithe by 2% Cartoonist Jul 2014 #23
Is the Catholic Church SamKnause Jul 2014 #24
I think traditionally it's been pedophiles have turned to the clergy. nt valerief Jul 2014 #51
If true, defacto7 Jul 2014 #59
Yep. valerief Jul 2014 #65
I accuse the Pope of being open about the problem and doing something about it! onehandle Jul 2014 #25
doing something? whatthehey Jul 2014 #69
Oh good! liberalmuse Jul 2014 #26
"Hardcore" pedophiles DeadLetterOffice Jul 2014 #45
Oh my god. liberalmuse Jul 2014 #57
Scary. smirkymonkey Jul 2014 #70
That is "reassuring?" Kath1 Jul 2014 #27
That's like the (awful) punchline to a really bad joke. Solly Mack Jul 2014 #28
This is an irresponsible headline, I think MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #31
One chance in fifty is still a hell of a lot of priests, considering how many there are jmowreader Jul 2014 #32
Oh, well, I guess that makes it ok then. Arkana Jul 2014 #35
Seems to me we are taking the Pope's words a bit out of context. PatrickforO Jul 2014 #36
Oh oh. I have to correct my math above. In 2008 there were 409,166 priests, not 45,000. PatrickforO Jul 2014 #39
True and I don't see anywhere where he was reassuring that it is only 2% treestar Jul 2014 #66
I'm chuckling over "clerics can marry … under Vatican tutelage.' toby jo Jul 2014 #38
2% they know about CanonRay Jul 2014 #40
2% is the average for ALL men. happyslug Jul 2014 #44
I did not know that CanonRay Jul 2014 #49
Assuming the pope isn't lying skepticscott Jul 2014 #54
You have NOT done much CYS work have you? happyslug Jul 2014 #63
Do they check a box? GeorgeGist Jul 2014 #41
Before we go one, 2% is the average for all males. happyslug Jul 2014 #46
That title is misleading... Pope Francis didnt use the word "only". DCBob Jul 2014 #47
2% my ass. nt valerief Jul 2014 #50
Truly the dumbest, stupidest, thing out of a world leader since>>>>>>>>>>>>>>????? Stuart G Jul 2014 #52
That's a misleading headline. Beacool Jul 2014 #53
So is he planning to label them? DeSwiss Jul 2014 #55
There's some question about the figure caraher Jul 2014 #58
This is an inflammatory headline. Read the interview. It was the Pope's advisors who said that. bklyncowgirl Jul 2014 #61
So, only 20000 of them? Helen Borg Jul 2014 #62
Probably similar to the number of U.S.A. football coaches. hunter Jul 2014 #64
He's the only Pope, in my lifetime, that I think will actually address this unthinkable problem. WhoWoodaKnew Jul 2014 #67
The math: If 2% of all Catholic priests are pedophiles, and each pedophile priest Zorra Jul 2014 #68
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