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How are DU's NSA-defenders going to spin this one? Dopers_Greed Jul 2014 #1
It might take a while;... jayfish Jul 2014 #2
"Snowden violated people's privacy by looking at their nude bodies" n2doc Jul 2014 #4
we don't need to spin he is a tool and a fool snooper2 Jul 2014 #18
Actually they do enlist them right out of High School fasttense Jul 2014 #24
I Can't Believe billhicks76 Jul 2014 #43
Hmmm... the fact is you don't what NSA does in the vast majority of cases. They serve a very... Adrahil Jul 2014 #79
Whatever billhicks76 Jul 2014 #137
Well, sort of. olddad56 Jul 2014 #179
Like 18 Year Olds billhicks76 Jul 2014 #41
OK, Let me give it a try.... PosterChild Jul 2014 #46
You can't do all those things but... JackRiddler Jul 2014 #52
Sorry, but... PosterChild Jul 2014 #135
Who is this "We"? JackRiddler Jul 2014 #142
By "We" I mean "We the People"... PosterChild Jul 2014 #144
You don't speak for "We the People," sir. JackRiddler Jul 2014 #145
I didn't say... PosterChild Jul 2014 #146
Most Americans Now Oppose NSA Program JackRiddler Jul 2014 #149
Polls are very important... PosterChild Jul 2014 #152
Your argument can be used to justify anything... JackRiddler Jul 2014 #153
I'm not "blaming the people"... PosterChild Jul 2014 #170
Very good, at last. JackRiddler Jul 2014 #173
Yes, law enforcement typically 'justifies' itself by doing the job they were established to do. randome Jul 2014 #178
CIA has nothing to do with law enforcement. JackRiddler Jul 2014 #180
Sorry, but I aways speak... PosterChild Jul 2014 #190
It is not "our" nation, sir. JackRiddler Jul 2014 #191
I didn't say anything about... PosterChild Jul 2014 #211
Basically the neo-con justification for U.S. imperialism. JackRiddler Jul 2014 #212
The difference being Joe Turner Jul 2014 #54
NSA spying... PosterChild Jul 2014 #136
70's anecdotes aside...... DeSwiss Jul 2014 #63
Proof of what? PosterChild Jul 2014 #134
They may be following internet sex rings or pedophiles. kelliekat44 Jul 2014 #70
Snowden is far more credible than the NSA. JDPriestly Jul 2014 #99
+1000 LiberalLovinLug Jul 2014 #110
Why? Where did he work? What did he do? Where is he now?l nt kelliekat44 Jul 2014 #155
Have you read Greenwald's book, No Place to Hide? JDPriestly Jul 2014 #177
He was an IT guy AnnieBW Jul 2014 #207
Don't EVEN try that one Aerows Jul 2014 #120
That's not their job. JoeyT Jul 2014 #182
You believe it just because Eddie said it? treestar Jul 2014 #157
Simple tymorial Jul 2014 #174
Here's what is simple ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #181
"...his comments that SS recipients are parasites...." candelista Jul 2014 #203
Snowden posted regularly ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #204
Obviously he changed his mind... candelista Jul 2014 #205
Not really, people always have the "It can't happen to me" mentality cbdo2007 Jul 2014 #3
"It's easy to believe that someone's gonna light the fuse jayfish Jul 2014 #5
There it is... Dopers_Greed Jul 2014 #11
But if you're a politician and your kid does ... Babel_17 Jul 2014 #16
Snowden : "young men working for NSA behave in manner to be expected of a hedgehog Jul 2014 #6
Still amazed at how naive some are Cryptoad Jul 2014 #7
Ah, the old "There's no expectation of privacy on the Internet, so why worry?" argument... klook Jul 2014 #10
Why they are looking at them has nothing to do with the Fact,, Cryptoad Jul 2014 #13
So can I read your emails then? zeemike Jul 2014 #14
Well I am surely not going to pretend Cryptoad Jul 2014 #17
Remember how they used to have to get a warrant klook Jul 2014 #19
Well it was rhetorical zeemike Jul 2014 #21
talk about rolling over LiberalLovinLug Jul 2014 #112
My house is not Pulic domain Cryptoad Jul 2014 #116
Its the next step LiberalLovinLug Jul 2014 #168
I call this pathetic defense, "Third Way blase," woo me with science Jul 2014 #28
And as usual you are right, and right on top of it. zeemike Jul 2014 #30
That thread was "mind blowing," indeed. woo me with science Jul 2014 #36
Aptly named! Pholus Jul 2014 #37
Stupid Argument billhicks76 Jul 2014 #44
Mail Boxes are not public domain,,,,,,,, Cryptoad Jul 2014 #55
What!?! billhicks76 Jul 2014 #68
You are the one who brought up the subject of Mailboxes comparisons ,,,,, Cryptoad Jul 2014 #88
So then it's A-OK if the postal carrier opens your mail and reads it? Sirveri Jul 2014 #98
Seriously Cryptoad Jul 2014 #117
I don't think they do, the SCOTUS confirmed that they do. Sirveri Jul 2014 #121
You need to source your comment Cryptoad Jul 2014 #126
Your email, I was talking about your email, but I'm sure you knew that. Sirveri Jul 2014 #133
Dont Waste Your Time With This One billhicks76 Jul 2014 #139
Wrong billhicks76 Jul 2014 #138
Nor are e-mail boxes that not only have names on them but JDPriestly Jul 2014 #109
"email boxes" Cryptoad Jul 2014 #118
Tell that to the pharmaceutical companies, the airplane JDPriestly Jul 2014 #106
and all those thingys you Cryptoad Jul 2014 #119
While I don't approve of unprofessional, juvenile behavior of analysts... Adrahil Jul 2014 #80
True that.. Cryptoad Jul 2014 #89
A password proves, in my opinion, the intention that the information JDPriestly Jul 2014 #113
you are talking Cryptoad Jul 2014 #123
You have tremendous patience. woo me with science Jul 2014 #154
Do you think that abusing their position of trust and authority is okay? neverforget Jul 2014 #31
Who Are You? billhicks76 Jul 2014 #40
The slashed GOP may very well be an accurate representation of their sentiment. Jackpine Radical Jul 2014 #49
I agree billhicks76 Jul 2014 #66
Is this a Purity Test? Cryptoad Jul 2014 #129
Nope billhicks76 Jul 2014 #140
test me to stonecutter357 Jul 2014 #194
Is this suppose to be an insult? Cryptoad Jul 2014 #127
Internet is not a public domain. JDPriestly Jul 2014 #101
Manage a 45,000 node network Aerows Jul 2014 #122
I never claimed it was ethical Cryptoad Jul 2014 #128
Excusing it Aerows Jul 2014 #130
I was not Cryptoad Jul 2014 #131
And why would the NSA have nude photos? treestar Jul 2014 #158
Do you Reckon,,,, Cryptoad Jul 2014 #193
. stonecutter357 Jul 2014 #195
Steganography - Financing Other Activities AnnieBW Jul 2014 #206
Is this really what you want from your government? raindaddy Jul 2014 #192
I want my Gubermint Cryptoad Jul 2014 #196
Whether our Gov... Is violating the Constitution is a different argument. raindaddy Jul 2014 #197
your argument is circular Cryptoad Jul 2014 #199
Of course they can be separate arguments raindaddy Jul 2014 #201
Gee, who could have predicted this? nt bemildred Jul 2014 #8
Well of course they do. bluedigger Jul 2014 #9
I guess all the hot girls who took selfies with their smart phones OnyxCollie Jul 2014 #12
Sarcasm aside, no, most of them didn't. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #29
Former girlfriend ... plus her current boyfriend? Babel_17 Jul 2014 #15
Yep and I would be more worried about them. zeemike Jul 2014 #32
Talk about a mind-boggler..... Doc Holliday Jul 2014 #105
I think he's full of shit. n/t lamp_shade Jul 2014 #20
Absolutely, the NSA has policies to ensure this crap doesn't happen mindwalker_i Jul 2014 #27
And we have a secret court to protect our secrets. Jackpine Radical Jul 2014 #50
Yeah, isn't that great? mindwalker_i Jul 2014 #53
...but it is only the meta-data. bvar22 Jul 2014 #22
Prediction 90-percent Jul 2014 #23
I doubt you would ever see that released to the public. zeemike Jul 2014 #34
Any naked pictures of Dianne Feinstein in a sexually compromising position..... DeSwiss Jul 2014 #67
Imagine what the bosses pass around. Octafish Jul 2014 #25
The floating castles remind me of that old Star Trek episode, "The Cloud Minders" aint_no_life_nowhere Jul 2014 #62
I identified with the Troglytes in that one. Octafish Jul 2014 #90
Serve 'em right if they see one of me. riqster Jul 2014 #26
Ha ha ha. Government abuse of power against Americans is such a laugh riot. woo me with science Jul 2014 #35
Gallows humor. Look it up. riqster Jul 2014 #39
Well, if they haul you in on terrorism charges, we'll know why. winter is coming Jul 2014 #65
Insofar as I am aware, no such photos exist. riqster Jul 2014 #82
Coming soon: NSA employees create next "October Surprise" Pholus Jul 2014 #33
Now You Are Thinking billhicks76 Jul 2014 #45
You mean the NSA might collect info on Democratic politicians OnyxCollie Jul 2014 #48
What could he do that couldn't be undone EXCEPT... Pholus Jul 2014 #72
He could have started by replacing all the US Attorneys in 2009 (like Clinton did.) OnyxCollie Jul 2014 #92
K&R woo me with science Jul 2014 #38
unlikely given the number of authoritarians and badge sniffers..... blackspade Jul 2014 #42
Snowden has finally come full circle. randome Jul 2014 #47
So it's okay for the NSA to abuse their power, authority and trust? neverforget Jul 2014 #51
No, it's not okay. From the very start, all we've needed is some evidence. randome Jul 2014 #71
We haven't needed evidence nearly so much as we have needed honesty. Pholus Jul 2014 #73
They're a spy agency. Of course they have secrets. randome Jul 2014 #75
Well I presume to. They have no baseline for trust. Pholus Jul 2014 #84
Right. Because when the NSA learns of something illegal, they should simply sit on it. randome Jul 2014 #97
You sure dropped "The NSA doesn't spy on Americans" quickly enough... Pholus Jul 2014 #102
I've come to the conclusion Aerows Jul 2014 #125
Seems to be the takeaway. Sadly. Pholus Jul 2014 #185
I've stood in that fire, randome Aerows Jul 2014 #186
In this case, the 'right thing' to do is to share evidence about illegality. randome Jul 2014 #189
Because Eddie said so and you choose to ignore US case law. nt treestar Jul 2014 #161
Objection. NSA has a longer history of ignoring said laws. Pholus Jul 2014 #171
We are talking about THIS case. treestar Jul 2014 #172
So, summarizing. You think it's unfair the NSA is held accountable for their crap but Pholus Jul 2014 #183
So Greenwald, Poitras, the NYT, the Guardian - the documents they have from Snowden aren't evidence? riderinthestorm Jul 2014 #83
Of course those documents are evidence. randome Jul 2014 #86
Falling back on "its not illegal!11!!!!11" meme... riderinthestorm Jul 2014 #87
Oh, jeeze. randome Jul 2014 #96
No, but if Eddie said they did, it would become gospel! nt treestar Jul 2014 #160
Who said that? treestar Jul 2014 #159
Oh, he's got the proof. NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #56
Duh. Try reading the excerpt in the OP above. DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2014 #57
Already read it. Duh. NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #58
No proof beats demonstrable lies any day of the week. Pholus Jul 2014 #85
Snowden has been charged under the Espionage Act ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #100
I like how you try to frame it -- "Believing." Pholus Jul 2014 #104
The point being ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #107
Nope, but when my taxes are funding one of the liars... Pholus Jul 2014 #184
I should not have started with ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #187
That's okay. It was obvious this thread was not your best work. Pholus Jul 2014 #188
There is enough proof of that to place the charges treestar Jul 2014 #164
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Jul 2014 #69
And similarly people like yourself immediately discount it. Bonobo Jul 2014 #59
Oh, I am not surprised by that at all. NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #60
There definitely is more than a bit of irony in that 'skepticism' thing, yes. Bonobo Jul 2014 #61
Understood. NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #64
But he has provided proof of his allegations unless you think Greenwald, Poitras, the NYT, riderinthestorm Jul 2014 #81
Snowden's allegations ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #103
You are. You specifically said he is making allegations without providing proof riderinthestorm Jul 2014 #111
He alleged that he could ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #114
Have you seen the proof that the NSA is surveilling American citizens? riderinthestorm Jul 2014 #115
You still have your head in 2007, huh? randome Jul 2014 #132
Have I seen the proof that ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #141
"Its just metadata" has been thoroughly debunked. Do try to keep up. riderinthestorm Jul 2014 #147
So now pointing out ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #148
Not only do they immediately accept it, they parry any questions with treestar Jul 2014 #167
Then it would happen anywhere treestar Jul 2014 #166
His word has become gospel treestar Jul 2014 #162
At the rate these 'pronouncements' are going ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #176
your internet provider, cell phone service, messageboard owners can too. so whats new? Sunlei Jul 2014 #74
Skinner has nude photos of us? Renew Deal Jul 2014 #76
if YOU sent them in 'private messages' all admin can see and read everything. Sunlei Jul 2014 #77
This message was self-deleted by its author woo me with science Jul 2014 #93
Unfathomably naive post. Deliberately missing the point, I hope, woo me with science Jul 2014 #94
I understand. For example the millions of files Snowden stole. A lot of 'someones' will be Sunlei Jul 2014 #95
Manning said they played video games all day.management in our Federal agencies should be fired. Sunlei Jul 2014 #78
They are welcome to my live stream inner bowl toilet cam. L0oniX Jul 2014 #91
Snowden picked quite a country to hide in... Imajika Jul 2014 #108
I hope he feels proud of his patrons AnnieBW Jul 2014 #209
Do these allegations suggest that Trillo Jul 2014 #124
So what was Mr. Whistleblower doing when this was going on? Blue_Tires Jul 2014 #143
Probably in the mens' room wacking off George II Jul 2014 #151
good point treestar Jul 2014 #163
And....whatever you do...don't post pic of your cute kid KoKo Jul 2014 #150
Well guys will be guys. leftyladyfrommo Jul 2014 #156
He can "live with" going to Gitmo? treestar Jul 2014 #165
Because of course they do. n/t DirkGently Jul 2014 #169
It doesn't happen... hughee99 Jul 2014 #175
.. NorthCarolina Jul 2014 #202
And the TSA looks at your junk in the security line. 6000eliot Jul 2014 #198
The naivete in this thread is beyond belief. BlueCheese Jul 2014 #200
Ever hear of Steganography? AnnieBW Jul 2014 #208
If people were being disciplined for it, it wouldn't have been "routine", would it? hughee99 Jul 2014 #210
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