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287. DU thread indicated that to be the case. Tweets and several videos posted:
Thu Jul 17, 2014, 11:51 PM
Jul 2014

Last edited Fri Jul 18, 2014, 10:43 AM - Edit history (1)


7. Ukrainian security service on their official channel intercepted terrorist Bezler phone which confirms Boeing hit:

Translation:


0:20: A: Just now, just now, "Minera" group downed an airplane. It fell on Yenakivo.
0:26: B: Pilots? Where are the pilots?
0:29: A: We're going now to search and take photos of the wreckage.
0:33: B: How long ago?
0:34: A: About 30 minutes.

0:44: C: Yes, "Major"
0:45: D: From Chernuhino, they downed the plane.
0:48: C: Who?
0:49: C: From Chernuhino post, cossacks that are stationed at Chernukino.
0:56: C: The plane broke up in mid-air, near Petropavlosk mine. First 200 (ed: ?). Found first 200 (ed: ?). Civilian.
1:12: D: So what's going on?
1:15: C: Stupid civilian plane.
1:18: D: Understood. Are there many people?
1:20: C: FUBAR. Wreckage falling right in peoples yards.
1:24: D: What model?
1:26: C: I haven't figured it out yet. Haven't yet gotten to the main debris. I'm still where the first bodies fell.
1:31: C: There's wreckage of internal containers, seats, bodies.
1:35: D: Understood. Are there any weapons?
1:37: C: Nothing at all. Civilian stuff, medical supplies, towels, toilet paper.
1:43: D: Any documents?
1:45: C: Yes. Indonesian student. From Thompson university.

1:52: About that plane shot down near Snezhnovo Torez. It turned out to be a passenger plane. Fell near Grabovo, there's lots of bodies, women and children. Right now the cossacks are inspecting it.
2:03: On TV they are saying AN-26, Ukrainian transport, but are saying it's labeled Malaysian Airlines.
2:12: What was it doing in Ukrainian territory?
2:16: Maybe it was transporting spies. Who knows. It's war.

to ReverendDeuce

More at the link:


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5253748

Operating on the 'Kill 'em all, let God sort 'em out' mindset.
Flight is MH 17 from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur KeepItReal Jul 2014 #1
Malaysia Airlines Plane Crashes in Ukraine With 295 on Board Bosonic Jul 2014 #2
Horrible maddezmom Jul 2014 #9
Video of a young eyewitness: joshcryer Jul 2014 #3
It was removed fast, what a shock Reter Jul 2014 #276
Another Boeing 777. icymist Jul 2014 #4
KAL007 redux. nt geek tragedy Jul 2014 #5
And Iran 655. dipsydoodle Jul 2014 #208
yep. nt geek tragedy Jul 2014 #210
And TWA 800. JackRiddler Jul 2014 #264
Other post here with a few details: joshcryer Jul 2014 #6
LBN rules are clear: the first thread to be started remains muriel_volestrangler Jul 2014 #85
Fair enough. joshcryer Jul 2014 #86
Interfax is claiming it was shot down KeepItReal Jul 2014 #7
Not the first time it's happened. Agschmid Jul 2014 #13
definitely shot down echochamberlain Jul 2014 #297
Flight Track brooklynite Jul 2014 #8
rumors a Russian BUK ground to air missile riverwalker Jul 2014 #10
Shoulder-fired SA-7 and SA-14 cannot reach 32K ft. Had to be a SA-11 or SA-17 (BUK). KeepItReal Jul 2014 #16
someone just ended the Ukraine conflict. geek tragedy Jul 2014 #19
I'm shocked. joshcryer Jul 2014 #23
WHich explains the sanctions on Russia this week. geek tragedy Jul 2014 #26
Watch before lifenews sanitizes its videos Bosonic Jul 2014 #36
Wow, downloading now. joshcryer Jul 2014 #40
Czech rebels? Capt. Obvious Jul 2014 #66
Apologies, meant Chechen. joshcryer Jul 2014 #69
You had me scrambling Capt. Obvious Jul 2014 #76
I think the poster meant Chechen rebels hedgehog Jul 2014 #71
Thanks. joshcryer Jul 2014 #72
Hope I wasn't being patronizing, hedgehog Jul 2014 #79
No worries. joshcryer Jul 2014 #83
Greetings fellow migrainer. But I've had concussions, too. I'm lucky I know my name... freshwest Jul 2014 #284
What a lovely landscape, good roads, infrastructure. I can't help but think of the Bundies. freshwest Jul 2014 #282
I only see semantics when Ukrainian arms makers under contract to Russia spread these around. freshwest Jul 2014 #279
Jump to conclusions, no mourning for 295 innocent loves. Take a break from the hate for a minute. Fred Sanders Jul 2014 #32
You then believe that individuals are unable to both speculate and mourn simultaneously LanternWaste Jul 2014 #93
Speculation is a de facto example of jumping to conclusions without evidence. You can mourn and Fred Sanders Jul 2014 #102
Yes, the terrible speculation caused by the rebel leader claiming responsibility. jeff47 Jul 2014 #150
More speculation....Twitter....great source you got there .... Fred Sanders Jul 2014 #159
Yes, we can't possible trust the rebel leader's own twitter account. jeff47 Jul 2014 #170
Exactly my thoughts. nt Tetris_Iguana Jul 2014 #55
Or . . . another_liberal Jul 2014 #245
You just never quit do you? maddezmom Jul 2014 #246
Oh, you don't like . . . another_liberal Jul 2014 #247
Wtf? Who is talking about starting a war maddezmom Jul 2014 #250
No one is talking about it but mccain and another liberal. Cha Jul 2014 #268
This schtick is getting old to me maddezmom Jul 2014 #270
I Agree, Ma'am: The Feigned Innocence Just Reeks.... The Magistrate Jul 2014 #273
"Misidentified." joshcryer Jul 2014 #21
Commercial airlines fly that corridor frequently. It should not have been deemed a hostile. KeepItReal Jul 2014 #68
I'm thinking it was just bad luck. joshcryer Jul 2014 #70
Sounds like that is exactly what happened. They thought it was a cargo plane. misterhighwasted Jul 2014 #163
DU thread indicated that to be the case. Tweets and several videos posted: freshwest Jul 2014 #287
That was bad enough. Now they've done themselves in. They must quit this. freshwest Jul 2014 #275
Putin's troop build-up & his BUK launchers. One of his people fired the missile, probably drunk. Sunlei Jul 2014 #108
Commercial airline shot down. MoonchildCA Jul 2014 #11
That would be two for Russia and one for the US. CBGLuthier Jul 2014 #30
Depends on TWA 800. JackRiddler Jul 2014 #263
So you're saying the Russians shot it down CreekDog Jul 2014 #290
TWA 800? I don't think so. JackRiddler Jul 2014 #293
the Ukrainians shot down TWA 800? is that what you're saying? CreekDog Jul 2014 #300
Sorry if you're not reading. JackRiddler Jul 2014 #302
The entire world should crush all those responsible. conservaphobe Jul 2014 #12
Will you be at the front . . . another_liberal Jul 2014 #140
Oh no, disturbing and sad. There are many media speculations. Ugh. SummerSnow Jul 2014 #14
yes... speculating it was shot down by the Russians OKNancy Jul 2014 #15
If it's true I wonder if Putin is rekindling an old grudge SummerSnow Jul 2014 #29
It would have had to be at pretty high altitude-- TwilightGardener Jul 2014 #17
~10km apparently Bosonic Jul 2014 #20
Yep. They're already saying it would take a very advanced air defense system. nt conservaphobe Jul 2014 #24
Yeah, the sort that a ragtag group of "self-defense rebels" always have on hand... TwilightGardener Jul 2014 #28
Could have been either side at this point. Xithras Jul 2014 #47
There is no Ukranian AA deployed in Donbas. joshcryer Jul 2014 #54
I don't think the world will wait for an investigation Tetris_Iguana Jul 2014 #58
I'm sure there's some somewhere. Xithras Jul 2014 #65
Eh, they admitted it before realizing what they did. joshcryer Jul 2014 #67
The Ukrainians, as the Russians like to point out, don't really control the east. Igel Jul 2014 #106
I think it will have come from Russia, either directly or via TwilightGardener Jul 2014 #57
While true.... Adrahil Jul 2014 #137
The sort that groups being armed by Russia would have on hand. nt hack89 Jul 2014 #51
Just sad BumRushDaShow Jul 2014 #18
MAS confirm has lost contact with MH17 brooklynite Jul 2014 #22
Well, this should be interesting Igel Jul 2014 #25
Already blaming NATO / CT flowing rapidly. joshcryer Jul 2014 #34
Of course. Igel Jul 2014 #45
Twitter fascists saying the "airpspace was closed." joshcryer Jul 2014 #27
Making some awfully big assumptions there. Igel Jul 2014 #56
I was saying their original flight path avoided Ukraine: joshcryer Jul 2014 #64
"Fascist murderers." Igel Jul 2014 #121
Not at all. joshcryer Jul 2014 #128
AP: Malaysian jet shot down over Ukraine, official says DonViejo Jul 2014 #31
My God. BlueCheese Jul 2014 #33
I'm sure McCain will call a press conference Mr.Bill Jul 2014 #35
Andrea Mitchell has him on right now and he's already inferring blame on Obama. SaveOurDemocracy Jul 2014 #46
Why MSNBC gives him the time of day, I have no idea. MoonchildCA Jul 2014 #99
He just did, on Andrea Greenspan's show. tridim Jul 2014 #48
Well at least he's predictable. n/t Mr.Bill Jul 2014 #61
Walked by the teevee and saw his ugly mug BumRushDaShow Jul 2014 #74
Rebel leaders Facebook" We warned them not to fly in our sky" riverwalker Jul 2014 #37
Ugh. Monsters. Just monsters, no othe word for those pigs. nt geek tragedy Jul 2014 #38
Oh dear god maddezmom Jul 2014 #41
Christ. joshcryer Jul 2014 #42
Time to crush them. conservaphobe Jul 2014 #49
When do you ship out, eager soldier? nt Union Scribe Jul 2014 #77
I doubt they'll ever leave their armchair. Tetris_Iguana Jul 2014 #154
Key Board Commandos warrant46 Jul 2014 #164
Good work, there, Pooty-poot. TwilightGardener Jul 2014 #59
They went too far. herding cats Jul 2014 #63
Since the plane was painted in Russian colors of white, red and blue . . . another_liberal Jul 2014 #152
You've got to be fucking kidding Bosonic Jul 2014 #156
Post removed Post removed Jul 2014 #161
Their central office needs to deliver them the same talking points, they appear TwilightGardener Jul 2014 #185
Fascinating . . . another_liberal Jul 2014 #191
No, I am not "kidding" . . . another_liberal Jul 2014 #183
It doesn't. Agschmid Jul 2014 #184
You make as much sense as you usually do Bosonic Jul 2014 #186
Then don't bother replying to my comments . . . another_liberal Jul 2014 #189
I ignored your first ridiculous post to my OP Bosonic Jul 2014 #193
Why is it ridiculous? another_liberal Jul 2014 #197
you walking these "theories" back yet? snooper2 Jul 2014 #242
Why would one "Walk back" a theory? another_liberal Jul 2014 #244
No one frightened or scared or whatever you want to call it.... maddezmom Jul 2014 #271
Which means you've entertained EVERY possibility, except one CreekDog Jul 2014 #291
Why would the Ukrainian Air Force shoot down a Boeing at 30,000 ft headed east? EX500rider Jul 2014 #240
Are you for fucking real? IronGate Jul 2014 #171
Sadly, yes maddezmom Jul 2014 #173
No, and there is no evidence yet for any other theory. another_liberal Jul 2014 #188
Twitter post from Strelkov. Igel Jul 2014 #202
It is now being reported that the attack may have been intended for Putin. another_liberal Jul 2014 #207
It's not the similar, in fact it has two extra engines... Agschmid Jul 2014 #215
Maybe so . . . another_liberal Jul 2014 #243
And I hate to source RT but even they are saying this... Agschmid Jul 2014 #251
I really doubt the Ukrainians want to kill putin and maybe get nuked in return. EX500rider Jul 2014 #241
That's some twisted logic that would make a pretzel envious. nt herding cats Jul 2014 #178
I think it makes a lot more sense than blaming Russia . . . another_liberal Jul 2014 #187
You do realize the plane was shot down deep in rebel territory? herding cats Jul 2014 #190
Are you suggesting Ukraine's air and land forces aren't also, "deep in rebel territory?" another_liberal Jul 2014 #192
You need a map. Igel Jul 2014 #204
Why do you think it had to be over Ukrainian-controled territory to be downed by them? another_liberal Jul 2014 #212
Because you either use radar or sight. Igel Jul 2014 #274
Excellent Comment, Sir The Magistrate Jul 2014 #277
You seem to be willing to blame anybody but Russia CreekDog Jul 2014 #292
Except Russian military aircraft are not painted white, red and blue hack89 Jul 2014 #248
Highly unlikely. blackspade Jul 2014 #254
Um, it's been verified to have been a SAM MohRokTah Jul 2014 #272
Do we know for certain who authorered this Facebook page? hedgehog Jul 2014 #73
It wasn't FB, it was vk.com, his official site: joshcryer Jul 2014 #205
Thank you for that information! hedgehog Jul 2014 #214
vk is vkontakte, a Russian FB analogue. JackRiddler Jul 2014 #294
Nitpicking. joshcryer Jul 2014 #295
Translation. Igel Jul 2014 #75
Is there a link to the FB post? Union Scribe Jul 2014 #80
Sorry, I don't do Twitter. Igel Jul 2014 #226
Sky News reports the same info you posted. KeepItReal Jul 2014 #97
Warned who? And the people on the plane are civilians. Renew Deal Jul 2014 #112
Rebels warning/taunting Ukrainian military. MH 17 flew into hostile airspace for some reason. KeepItReal Jul 2014 #120
I think that is pushing planes from Crimea and the Black Sea into mainland Ukraine. jakeXT Jul 2014 #145
Yes and no. Igel Jul 2014 #227
Also maybe the airspace around the closed airports is closed jakeXT Jul 2014 #232
Just mentioned on MSNBC now... Agschmid Jul 2014 #199
Wow Tetris_Iguana Jul 2014 #39
Very sad :( Marrah_G Jul 2014 #43
I cannot believe they did this. herding cats Jul 2014 #44
The same thing as any terrorists, I guess rebecca_herman Jul 2014 #60
They were thinking they were shooting down a SU-25 or An-26. Igel Jul 2014 #62
SKY-NEWS, seems to confirm the missile? Agschmid Jul 2014 #50
Rebels confirm it in post #37. joshcryer Jul 2014 #52
That's absolutely false. LisaL Jul 2014 #98
Of course they are. joshcryer Jul 2014 #100
They never admitted to either, either now or before. LisaL Jul 2014 #110
They said they shot a plane down. joshcryer Jul 2014 #114
They did know which plane it was. A military plane. LisaL Jul 2014 #125
"previous evening" joshcryer Jul 2014 #131
And? LisaL Jul 2014 #134
This plane got shot down a couple of hours ago? joshcryer Jul 2014 #136
What is your point? You claim rebels admitted it. But the truth is they denied it. LisaL Jul 2014 #142
The original statement links videos to this crash. joshcryer Jul 2014 #144
What original statement? LisaL Jul 2014 #153
They took down their original statement. joshcryer Jul 2014 #158
What does it say, exactly? LisaL Jul 2014 #166
Here: joshcryer Jul 2014 #175
You may want to look at this thread: freshwest Jul 2014 #288
They bragged about it when they thought it was a Ukrainian military jet. geek tragedy Jul 2014 #107
But they did shoot down a military jet. LisaL Jul 2014 #111
This morning? nt geek tragedy Jul 2014 #115
That's what they're saying now. joshcryer Jul 2014 #117
The well-oiled Russian disinformation machine, clackety-clack, clackety-clack, TwilightGardener Jul 2014 #123
Yes, the military plane was shot down. LisaL Jul 2014 #129
"previous evening" joshcryer Jul 2014 #133
It was a Su-25. Igel Jul 2014 #130
They're trying to down that downing to this one. joshcryer Jul 2014 #139
They claimed they shot down a turboprop An-26 at the same place, today muriel_volestrangler Jul 2014 #218
Another lost Malaysian airliner? Arkana Jul 2014 #53
Almost certainly. Igel Jul 2014 #81
This one's not lost... brooklynite Jul 2014 #206
French media just saying now mylye2222 Jul 2014 #78
Let's not forget the people lost today. FourScore Jul 2014 #82
Yes. Whatever the cause, it is a heartbreaking tragedy. KeepItReal Jul 2014 #101
There should be immediate calls from the rest of the world that Russia TwilightGardener Jul 2014 #84
Good luck with that Bosonic Jul 2014 #122
Unbelievable. TwilightGardener Jul 2014 #126
An airliner has crashed. dipsydoodle Jul 2014 #87
Ukraine detected Buk missile launch: joshcryer Jul 2014 #90
True, but the large debris field they are reporting lead many to speculate it blew up, etc maddezmom Jul 2014 #91
Conjecture is pretty accurate when people say, "We shot it down". jeff47 Jul 2014 #168
Post removed Post removed Jul 2014 #88
Ya ok Tetris_Iguana Jul 2014 #89
Train You Ride Is Never Late, Sir... The Magistrate Jul 2014 #95
You make me chuckle, Sir maddezmom Jul 2014 #105
Sir, the propaganda police are out in force davidpdx Jul 2014 #253
funny stuff ! :) haha nt steve2470 Jul 2014 #266
How have you not been banned yet? nt geek tragedy Jul 2014 #96
My thoughts exactly - this is one of the worst karynnj Jul 2014 #260
Yeah, sure, that's very likely. TwilightGardener Jul 2014 #104
Really? IronGate Jul 2014 #118
RIA Novosti just posted an interesting article. Igel Jul 2014 #92
The barbarians on the ground are picking through the luggage and wreckage already Sunlei Jul 2014 #94
They will "salvage" anything they can. joshcryer Jul 2014 #103
shabby looking "country-people" are picking through the luggage right now. Sunlei Jul 2014 #119
Disgusting Tetris_Iguana Jul 2014 #211
18 years to the day that TWA 800 was shot down. joanbarnes Jul 2014 #109
Er, well...officially, not shot down. TwilightGardener Jul 2014 #113
TWA 800 was not shot down. Renew Deal Jul 2014 #116
Have some more cool aid... joanbarnes Jul 2014 #132
I think you drank it all... Agschmid Jul 2014 #143
You're the one posting conspiracy theories Renew Deal Jul 2014 #146
Alex Jones acolytes are here KinMd Jul 2014 #177
My wife Uncle worked on the TW 800 wreckage analysis for Boeing brooklynite Jul 2014 #195
It was 100% shot down Reter Jul 2014 #278
Link? Renew Deal Jul 2014 #280
Everyone knows it tested positives for explosives Reter Jul 2014 #286
Ukraine also shot one down 14 years ago jakeXT Jul 2014 #172
With our magic missiles that travel 2x their maximum range. jeff47 Jul 2014 #176
Anderson Cooper just said TWA 800 was "shot down." Renew Deal Jul 2014 #233
Good lord. I'm sure that video will be available soon too. Agschmid Jul 2014 #237
"Quite a few mistakes so far today" Reter Jul 2014 #281
It was. Agschmid Jul 2014 #283
Watch the recent Netflix one Reter Jul 2014 #285
He just made the retraction Renew Deal Jul 2014 #238
Good. Agschmid Jul 2014 #239
Bosonic Diclotican Jul 2014 #124
Unfortunately, shooting down unarmed airliners IS something that countries do. Maedhros Jul 2014 #216
Whoever did this must come forward immediately, amandabeech Jul 2014 #289
amandabeech Diclotican Jul 2014 #298
Horrific! get the red out Jul 2014 #127
Malaysian Airlines again . . . another_liberal Jul 2014 #135
OMG! FOX 'News' is showing the bodies!!! icymist Jul 2014 #138
Stay classy, FUX. TwilightGardener Jul 2014 #141
If they are, others probably are as well Renew Deal Jul 2014 #147
That's what they are claiming as they show this. icymist Jul 2014 #149
All I can say is that it is more common in other places Renew Deal Jul 2014 #155
Totally irresponsible and callous! LongTomH Jul 2014 #209
Curious timing Rapillion Jul 2014 #148
Crap post. Agschmid Jul 2014 #179
Wow Rapillion Jul 2014 #201
It doesn't take much to recognize a conspiracy theory. Agschmid Jul 2014 #203
Except no theory was stated Rapillion Jul 2014 #217
Why don't you tell us who you think benefits? maddezmom Jul 2014 #180
Because I don't know nt Rapillion Jul 2014 #196
Well by your post above you see to have someone in mind. Why not say? maddezmom Jul 2014 #198
Who do you think did this? hrmjustin Jul 2014 #182
It is possible Rapillion Jul 2014 #200
Did Pro-Russian separatists shoot down the WRONG PLANE?? misterhighwasted Jul 2014 #151
Just heard on Sky News that they are claiming the Ukrainians did it Renew Deal Jul 2014 #157
Sky seems to have the most "facts"... Agschmid Jul 2014 #162
One of the claims was that this is not a populated area Renew Deal Jul 2014 #165
And a whole lot images made it into social media... Agschmid Jul 2014 #167
Problem is it was hit over rebel territory. jeff47 Jul 2014 #181
that would seem to be the most logical speculation OKNancy Jul 2014 #160
Look upthread. Igel Jul 2014 #169
Here are the Ukrainian planes the rebels have shot down lately: KeepItReal Jul 2014 #174
MH17: Dozens of bodies scattered around wreckage: Report brooklynite Jul 2014 #194
Yahoo is reporting 23 Americans on board. TexasTowelie Jul 2014 #213
CNN Analyst making a good point: no smoke trail leading to crash site in explosion video alcibiades_mystery Jul 2014 #219
It's a valid point especially since the impact video was released. Agschmid Jul 2014 #220
If it caught on fire like on the movies. Igel Jul 2014 #230
Video of alleged Buk leaving Torez/Sneznoe area: joshcryer Jul 2014 #221
Pic of Buk in Torez today, hours before shooting: joshcryer Jul 2014 #222
I'm willing to wait and see where the evidence leads. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2014 #223
DNR claims to have the black boxes. joshcryer Jul 2014 #225
They just lost credibility Bad Thoughts Jul 2014 #228
And call for international investigators. joshcryer Jul 2014 #229
Another Malasian 777 warrprayer Jul 2014 #224
Don't see any evidence of transponder failure. Igel Jul 2014 #231
There is no evidence whatsoever at present. dipsydoodle Jul 2014 #234
Strictly speaking there's no evidence I have of a plane crash. Igel Jul 2014 #252
Why so concerned the pro-Russian rebels might get blamed? CreekDog Jul 2014 #265
I just flipped over to RT to get their take on this and a commentator is saying that totodeinhere Jul 2014 #235
AP did photograph them driving around jakeXT Jul 2014 #236
of course that's what they're saying, their side just murdered 300 people geek tragedy Jul 2014 #255
And now Putin is weighing in. totodeinhere Jul 2014 #267
yup. He can expect a massive new round of sanctions as a result. nt geek tragedy Jul 2014 #269
Malaysia Airlines MH17 was flying just 1,000ft above restricted airspace jakeXT Jul 2014 #249
Weird headline, the plane was flying almost as high as it could. joshcryer Jul 2014 #256
10000 ft more is possible jakeXT Jul 2014 #257
You really don't put a plane full of people at the service ceiling though. joshcryer Jul 2014 #258
40000 maybe jakeXT Jul 2014 #259
Ukraine told MH17 to fly lower... Air India did fly at 40000 ft jakeXT Jul 2014 #299
As I understand it... BlueCheese Jul 2014 #261
That is exactly what happened. joshcryer Jul 2014 #262
Typical R3druM Jul 2014 #301
Putin's game up echochamberlain Jul 2014 #296
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