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In reply to the discussion: Malaysian plane crashes on Ukraine-Russia border - live [View all]freshwest
(53,661 posts)287. DU thread indicated that to be the case. Tweets and several videos posted:
Last edited Fri Jul 18, 2014, 10:43 AM - Edit history (1)
7. Ukrainian security service on their official channel intercepted terrorist Bezler phone which confirms Boeing hit:
Translation:
0:20: A: Just now, just now, "Minera" group downed an airplane. It fell on Yenakivo.
0:26: B: Pilots? Where are the pilots?
0:29: A: We're going now to search and take photos of the wreckage.
0:33: B: How long ago?
0:34: A: About 30 minutes.
0:44: C: Yes, "Major"
0:45: D: From Chernuhino, they downed the plane.
0:48: C: Who?
0:49: C: From Chernuhino post, cossacks that are stationed at Chernukino.
0:56: C: The plane broke up in mid-air, near Petropavlosk mine. First 200 (ed: ?). Found first 200 (ed: ?). Civilian.
1:12: D: So what's going on?
1:15: C: Stupid civilian plane.
1:18: D: Understood. Are there many people?
1:20: C: FUBAR. Wreckage falling right in peoples yards.
1:24: D: What model?
1:26: C: I haven't figured it out yet. Haven't yet gotten to the main debris. I'm still where the first bodies fell.
1:31: C: There's wreckage of internal containers, seats, bodies.
1:35: D: Understood. Are there any weapons?
1:37: C: Nothing at all. Civilian stuff, medical supplies, towels, toilet paper.
1:43: D: Any documents?
1:45: C: Yes. Indonesian student. From Thompson university.
1:52: About that plane shot down near Snezhnovo Torez. It turned out to be a passenger plane. Fell near Grabovo, there's lots of bodies, women and children. Right now the cossacks are inspecting it.
2:03: On TV they are saying AN-26, Ukrainian transport, but are saying it's labeled Malaysian Airlines.
2:12: What was it doing in Ukrainian territory?
2:16: Maybe it was transporting spies. Who knows. It's war.
to ReverendDeuce
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5253748
Operating on the 'Kill 'em all, let God sort 'em out' mindset.
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Shoulder-fired SA-7 and SA-14 cannot reach 32K ft. Had to be a SA-11 or SA-17 (BUK).
KeepItReal
Jul 2014
#16
Greetings fellow migrainer. But I've had concussions, too. I'm lucky I know my name...
freshwest
Jul 2014
#284
What a lovely landscape, good roads, infrastructure. I can't help but think of the Bundies.
freshwest
Jul 2014
#282
I only see semantics when Ukrainian arms makers under contract to Russia spread these around.
freshwest
Jul 2014
#279
Jump to conclusions, no mourning for 295 innocent loves. Take a break from the hate for a minute.
Fred Sanders
Jul 2014
#32
You then believe that individuals are unable to both speculate and mourn simultaneously
LanternWaste
Jul 2014
#93
Speculation is a de facto example of jumping to conclusions without evidence. You can mourn and
Fred Sanders
Jul 2014
#102
Yes, the terrible speculation caused by the rebel leader claiming responsibility.
jeff47
Jul 2014
#150
Commercial airlines fly that corridor frequently. It should not have been deemed a hostile.
KeepItReal
Jul 2014
#68
Sounds like that is exactly what happened. They thought it was a cargo plane.
misterhighwasted
Jul 2014
#163
Putin's troop build-up & his BUK launchers. One of his people fired the missile, probably drunk.
Sunlei
Jul 2014
#108
Yep. They're already saying it would take a very advanced air defense system. nt
conservaphobe
Jul 2014
#24
Yeah, the sort that a ragtag group of "self-defense rebels" always have on hand...
TwilightGardener
Jul 2014
#28
The Ukrainians, as the Russians like to point out, don't really control the east.
Igel
Jul 2014
#106
Andrea Mitchell has him on right now and he's already inferring blame on Obama.
SaveOurDemocracy
Jul 2014
#46
Since the plane was painted in Russian colors of white, red and blue . . .
another_liberal
Jul 2014
#152
Their central office needs to deliver them the same talking points, they appear
TwilightGardener
Jul 2014
#185
Why would the Ukrainian Air Force shoot down a Boeing at 30,000 ft headed east?
EX500rider
Jul 2014
#240
It is now being reported that the attack may have been intended for Putin.
another_liberal
Jul 2014
#207
I really doubt the Ukrainians want to kill putin and maybe get nuked in return.
EX500rider
Jul 2014
#241
Are you suggesting Ukraine's air and land forces aren't also, "deep in rebel territory?"
another_liberal
Jul 2014
#192
Why do you think it had to be over Ukrainian-controled territory to be downed by them?
another_liberal
Jul 2014
#212
Rebels warning/taunting Ukrainian military. MH 17 flew into hostile airspace for some reason.
KeepItReal
Jul 2014
#120
I think that is pushing planes from Crimea and the Black Sea into mainland Ukraine.
jakeXT
Jul 2014
#145
What is your point? You claim rebels admitted it. But the truth is they denied it.
LisaL
Jul 2014
#142
The well-oiled Russian disinformation machine, clackety-clack, clackety-clack,
TwilightGardener
Jul 2014
#123
They claimed they shot down a turboprop An-26 at the same place, today
muriel_volestrangler
Jul 2014
#218
There should be immediate calls from the rest of the world that Russia
TwilightGardener
Jul 2014
#84
True, but the large debris field they are reporting lead many to speculate it blew up, etc
maddezmom
Jul 2014
#91
The barbarians on the ground are picking through the luggage and wreckage already
Sunlei
Jul 2014
#94
Unfortunately, shooting down unarmed airliners IS something that countries do.
Maedhros
Jul 2014
#216
CNN Analyst making a good point: no smoke trail leading to crash site in explosion video
alcibiades_mystery
Jul 2014
#219
I just flipped over to RT to get their take on this and a commentator is saying that
totodeinhere
Jul 2014
#235
of course that's what they're saying, their side just murdered 300 people
geek tragedy
Jul 2014
#255