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BlueEye

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5. Unfortunately, even nations with significant experience operating these weapons systems...

Reply to daleo (Reply #3)

Sun Jul 20, 2014, 11:00 AM

Jul 2014

can make terrible mistakes. The United States Navy did as much in 1988 when we shot Iran Air Flight 655 over the Persian Gulf. As you noted, Ukraine has had accidental shootdowns too.

At the same time, I think the evidence generally points to Putin's rebels right now. Every single shootdown of a military aircraft leading up to this point in the conflict has been of a Ukrainian aircraft by the rebels. The rebels themselves don't have aircraft. The Russians obviously do, but the Ukraine won't shoot them down because it would be an unwanted escalation. Plus, I don't think the Russian Air Force has been making incursions into Ukraine.

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UPDATED ~ Kerry: Ukraine rebels likely downed passenger jet [View all] DonViejo Jul 2014 OP

Kerry is obviously right on Ukraine. geek tragedy Jul 2014 #1

This will be a battle of ouija boards. cosmicone Jul 2014 #2

I think it was a straight up error, most likely by the rebels daleo Jul 2014 #3

Unfortunately, even nations with significant experience operating these weapons systems... BlueEye Jul 2014 #5

it is possible that the air taffic contol cosmicone Jul 2014 #6

Give it a rest. IronGate Jul 2014 #4

only the US and the puppet government in Ukraine cosmicone Jul 2014 #7

You keep asking "who benefits", but actually no one does, this was an unplanned TwilightGardener Jul 2014 #9

your post proves it doesn't benefit Putin cosmicone Jul 2014 #10

Yes, the Ukrainian ATC actions were deliberate, to kill a planeload of innocents, but TwilightGardener Jul 2014 #12

And yet you said in another thread that you were waiting for the investigation to conclude, IronGate Jul 2014 #13

The jury is in on who benefits from the crash. cosmicone Jul 2014 #15

More mistruths. IronGate Jul 2014 #16

Hypothetically, even if the rebels shot the plane cosmicone Jul 2014 #18

Yes, it was the air traffic controllers who are the real terrorists here. TwilightGardener Jul 2014 #20

Or they just wanted to shoot down a plane, any plane. LuvLoogie Jul 2014 #26

The jury is also out on who killed Nicole IDemo Jul 2014 #21

They knew the Rebels had weapons ....I think Kiev hoped for a shoot down Billy Budd Jul 2014 #23

Kiev is ultimately to blame... you're correct. n/t cosmicone Jul 2014 #27

I'm sure the evil, bloodthirsty Ukrainian air traffic controllers are high-fiving each other TwilightGardener Jul 2014 #8

You are gradually navigating towards being correct. n/t cosmicone Jul 2014 #11

Holy shit. You have got to be kidding. TwilightGardener Jul 2014 #14

Yet, in other threads, IronGate Jul 2014 #17

Yes, of course, because there so far hasn't BEEN a real investigation and Putin made sure TwilightGardener Jul 2014 #19

I call it the Diode Effect IDemo Jul 2014 #22

Kiev acted irresponsibly Billy Budd Jul 2014 #24

stop with the Info war Billy Budd Jul 2014 #25

+1,000,000 n/t cosmicone Jul 2014 #28

Let facts determine the policy. The reverse of that is the republican way: Policy determines "facts" pampango Jul 2014 #29