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52. Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither.

Reply to KinMd (Reply #51)

Sun Jul 20, 2014, 02:42 PM

Jul 2014

Benjamin Franklin.
A very wise man, unlike you.

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22 shot in Chicago over 12 hours, including girl, 11, killed at sleepover [View all] alp227 Jul 2014 OP

Maybe if Chicago passes some more gun laws Tetris_Iguana Jul 2014 #1

This message was self-deleted by its author Lochloosa Jul 2014 #2

chicago doesn't have closed borders, and there is nobody who says the only solution is gun control JI7 Jul 2014 #3

I agree Tetris_Iguana Jul 2014 #5

My students are poor but they don't shoot anyone kylie5432 Jul 2014 #7

Thanks for that! Tetris_Iguana Jul 2014 #8

Parenting is hard if daddy skips town AngryAmish Jul 2014 #36

And Moms working long hours for shit pay. Inkfreak Jul 2014 #38

This is a result of the old "Man in the House" Rule happyslug Jul 2014 #75

control the borders... everybody wins quadrature Jul 2014 #13

Strict gun laws are much easier to get around when the surrounding areas don't have them. nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #4

I agree Tetris_Iguana Jul 2014 #6

Strict gun regulation is obvious. delrem Jul 2014 #9

I have my own cynical suspicions Tetris_Iguana Jul 2014 #10

It isn't entirely a problem of having a well maintained PD. delrem Jul 2014 #11

Is Chicago PD Spouting Horn Jul 2014 #62

Worse Tetris_Iguana Jul 2014 #63

Illinois has strict gun control laws all over the state. former9thward Jul 2014 #15

That doesn't explain, Why Chicago? AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #18

If surrounding areas Spouting Horn Jul 2014 #61

Because guns aren't the only factor by a long shot. It's just that their fairly easy availability nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #74

Maybe if there were no fucking guns.. trumad Jul 2014 #23

too conceptual and decent for gun lovers to understand - these deaths are horrifying samsingh Jul 2014 #47

Illinois has the strictest gun laws in the United States or at least one of them yeoman6987 Jul 2014 #64

its where the guns are coming from - and let's have some liability in place for people violating samsingh Jul 2014 #70

or may be if gun lovers started caring about victims and stopped attacking samsingh Jul 2014 #46

Seeing as that's not a characteristic of gangbangers Tetris_Iguana Jul 2014 #59

How horrendous and it happens much too frequently azurnoir Jul 2014 #12

This is just too much RainDog Jul 2014 #14

Things that would help, people aren't going to approve of..like Stop and Frisk KinMd Jul 2014 #16

So people should sacrifice their 4th amendment rights (and possibly be racially profiled) alp227 Jul 2014 #17

Agreed. No thanks. nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #19

And a jury kept the stop and frisk post 3-4! alp227 Jul 2014 #45

Why wold someone alert that? yeoman6987 Jul 2014 #65

Do you not realize Stop and Frisk is both a totalitarian and racist policy? alp227 Jul 2014 #66

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yeah right heaven05 Jul 2014 #28

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you need to quit, really heaven05 Jul 2014 #30

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yeah right heaven05 Jul 2014 #32

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I really don't care heaven05 Jul 2014 #34

Bloomberg was willing to violate any right to make people safe hack89 Jul 2014 #35

what if any us had kids and lived in these neighborhoods 22 shot in 12 hours. KinMd Jul 2014 #44

I still wouldn't willingly give up my 4th Amend. right, IronGate Jul 2014 #50

I might so my 11yo doesn't get shot inside her own house KinMd Jul 2014 #51

Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither. IronGate Jul 2014 #52

I'm guessing you don't live in any neiighborhood like that KinMd Jul 2014 #53

I grew up in a neighborhood like that, IronGate Jul 2014 #55

Ok just tell the people their on their own.. we can't protect you KinMd Jul 2014 #56

So giving up our fundamental rights is the answer? nt. IronGate Jul 2014 #57

Stop and frisk iisn't the same as being jailed without trial, and not a perfect solution. KinMd Jul 2014 #58

Stop and Frisk is a blatant violation of the 4th Amend. IronGate Jul 2014 #60

+1 ClassyCaptain Jul 2014 #69

It's people like you who are more of a threat to our country IronGate Jul 2014 #54

Thinking that targeting a whole race as criminals will deter crime is hilariously naive. n/t nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #20

Bloomberg says it worked hack89 Jul 2014 #22

People who say it "works" are usually white... Blue_Tires Jul 2014 #72

Bloomberg is as racist as they come hack89 Jul 2014 #73

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figures heaven05 Jul 2014 #27

Fuck that noise. (nt) Inkfreak Jul 2014 #39

Rightly so people won't approve of. IronGate Jul 2014 #40

would not be used to intimidate more black males? samsingh Jul 2014 #48

No thanks; black folks get more than enough "attention" from LEOs Blue_Tires Jul 2014 #71

Death Penalty for Gun Possession lobodons Jul 2014 #21

Yeah I see you working... trumad Jul 2014 #24

You forgot this: IronGate Jul 2014 #37

You just called for the execution of many DUers ButterflyBlood Jul 2014 #41

Way to go, fueling the paranoid nightmares of the pro-gun militants. Paladin Jul 2014 #43

Such a complicated issue.... theHandpuppet Jul 2014 #42

Gaza, Ukraine, or Chicago? SansACause Jul 2014 #49

FYI: Chicago is safer today than at any other time in its history ... pbmus Jul 2014 #67

I don't think ltheghost Jul 2014 #68