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JDPriestly

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36. Thanks for your post. I did not read your link because I am bery familiar with that view
Sun Jul 20, 2014, 06:36 PM
Jul 2014

since I have heard it so often in my life.

My point is that we should know the history, understand that there are two opposing views on it, that each view is in the eyes of those who old that view, the correct one.

My point also is that at this point, after so many years, the history cannot and will not be undone. The confusion of that time, the errors or brilliant actions (depending on your point of view) of the actors of that time cannot be undone. We are not magicians who can go back and change the past.

We can learn from the past though. And in the Israel/Palestinian conflict, the lesson to be learned is that to have a lasting peace, both sides must learn to trust each other. Each side must demonstrate that it can be trusted. I have observed attempts by Israel to prove how trustworthy it will be in enforcing peace. They destroyed settlements after agreeing to do so. They arrested Israelis suspected of killing a Palestinian. I along with the world am not waiting to see Palestinians prove that they can enforce a peace agreement within their own population should such an agreement be reached. That is the missing peace to credible settlement negotiations: proof that the Palestinians can enforce a peace agreement on their side.

The history is what it is. Two promises were made, two conflicting promises.

Another historical reality that many today do not understand is that colonialism was strong and well until 1947 and the independence of India. The assumption that Britain was sovereign in the areas it administered after the defeat of the Ottoman Empire in WWI was unquestioned. The creation of Israel had the approval of the nations of the day. That may be viewed as wrong today, but it is still part of the reality that we have to deal with today.

You are correct that the Palestinian refugees should not be forgotten. But I do not think there is any danger of that on DU.

"We've got to get over there"????? calimary Jul 2014 #1
He's talking about himself and his staff... DonViejo Jul 2014 #2
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Did you watch the entire vid or just look at that still action photo in the vid? DonViejo Jul 2014 #22
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Fox CORNERED him!!! mylye2222 Jul 2014 #24
What? The stupid morans at Faux had what it takes to corner the singularly-brilliant John Kerry? 24601 Jul 2014 #39
So, who gets fired, the SoS or the aide that came rushing in with the bad news? DonViejo Jul 2014 #25
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No one! Just Faux Noise's host!!!!! mylye2222 Jul 2014 #27
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Fox is just hoping Turbineguy Jul 2014 #3
He's NOT talking about American troops (I doubt Israel even wants them), he's talking about... George II Jul 2014 #5
Well we could send a few ships, what could possibly go wrong with that? n/t A Simple Game Jul 2014 #6
Yes, that's why Kerry is subject to criticism. JackRiddler Jul 2014 #7
he should be questioned because hes sos and has a big mouth. roguevalley Jul 2014 #8
No he didn't ...not even close trumad Jul 2014 #11
given that precision of message is essential especially for morons, he has a duty to explain and roguevalley Jul 2014 #19
Why the f...must every JK-related thread, mylye2222 Jul 2014 #21
The US will never send troops to assist in an Israeli conflict. Interpreting that... George II Jul 2014 #13
There is so much win in your comment. tymorial Jul 2014 #12
Thanks. JackRiddler Jul 2014 #20
+1 NealK Jul 2014 #40
On the other hand, the immediate assumption or insinuation is that what Kerry meant... George II Jul 2014 #41
I didn't think otherwise re: Kerry's comments. JackRiddler Jul 2014 #43
There's a reason for my "George II" other than King George II..... George II Jul 2014 #44
No worries, fake news will blow it up with distortions. Iliyah Jul 2014 #4
Oh, fuck Chris Wallace. uberblonde Jul 2014 #9
"mass slaughter" would entail quickly killing thousands. Like Rwanda. 7962 Jul 2014 #10
I support Obama's decisions and Kerry's compassion in this 100%. JDPriestly Jul 2014 #14
What was the context of the formation of Palestine? JDPriestly Jul 2014 #15
thanks heaven05 Jul 2014 #16
Your research is very thorough swilton Jul 2014 #17
Thanks for your post. I did not read your link because I am bery familiar with that view JDPriestly Jul 2014 #36
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I posted it as an OP in the Israel Palestine section but it was shut down because it is not JDPriestly Jul 2014 #37
Kerry sees the powder keg about to go off and wants to help defuse the situation. Rex Jul 2014 #29
Fighting to prevent escalation and/or conflics is the fight of his whole life. mylye2222 Jul 2014 #30
He looks exhausted, I hope he can get some sleep soon. Rex Jul 2014 #32
Not only exhausted. He seems sincerly and deeply appalled at Israels escalation and slaughter. mylye2222 Jul 2014 #33
True we are so lucky not to have John McCain in the WH or as SOS for another shitty GOP WH. Rex Jul 2014 #34
He is a great man. I so much wanted him to be president in 2004. JDPriestly Jul 2014 #38
Weird how that piece of shit Wallace sounds accusatory, The Stranger Jul 2014 #35
he sounds to me like he isn't taking any shit from anyone on this... CTyankee Jul 2014 #42
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