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happyslug

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27. Do you know ANYTHING about the border of Russia and the Ukraine?
Sun Jul 20, 2014, 11:30 PM
Jul 2014

It is like the border between Ohio and Indiana, one farm up against another, maybe with a fence in between. The area is NOT a river, mountain range or even desert. People on foot, horse, or vehicle can cross almost anywhere on that border, for it is all flat. Thus it is HARD to stop anything moving between the two countries.

Worse, everything you mention can cross that border anywhere on that border. Worse, Russia is NOT the centralized power it was under the Soviet Union, you have a lot more people with the ability to sell, give or bargain away a lot of military equipment. Thus Putin may NOT be able to stop such shipments, even if he wanted to.

That is just the nature of that border and one of the reasons, while the US Radar systems can detect where the Missile was fired from, the US can NOT determine where the actual Missile system came from. Was it from Russia? Was it a Ukrainian Missile, that the Rebels were able to capture? Given the nature of the Ukrainian Army, I have my doubt if the Regular Ukrainian Army is intact. Within a week of the coup you have Video of PARATROOPERS defecting with their Airborne APCs to the rebels. Since that time I have NOT seen video of Rebels armored vehicles, which implies they are keeping them under cover for everyone knows they have them (No one is claiming the rebels have no tanks or APCs).

Spare parts should be a factor, but some of the Weapons the Russian are accused of turning over to the Rebels had been made in the Ukraine before the break up of the Soviet Union. This area of the Ukraine also has the most trade with Russia, as oppose to the Western Ukraine that tends to ship goods to the West.

As to the crash site, Putin will make sure it is open to the international Community, more to show he has no control over the rebels than anything else. Putin wants to show he can ask the rebels to open up the crash site, thus showing the world that he, Putin, have influence with the Rebels, but Putin will also make sure it is the Rebels who open up the crash site, to show that Putin is NOT in charge of the Rebels.

Thus I see Putin doing things to show he is reasonable, and after a few weeks even Putin will agree it was Ukrainian Rebels who shot down this plane, but by then this will be forgotten for no one will be able to show Putin or Russia was involved.

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When has Russia ever complied with any Western demand? Stainless Jul 2014 #1
They have complied with the West demand to end all executions, unlike the US happyslug Jul 2014 #23
More worthless demands, is Putin the supreme leader of the rebels as well as chief arms Fred Sanders Jul 2014 #2
So seyethe another Putin apologist. nt. IronGate Jul 2014 #3
Another tribal thinker. Simplicity is best, I get it, for some. Fred Sanders Jul 2014 #4
No, another thinker who recognizes the overwhelming evidence. IronGate Jul 2014 #5
I have the same position as President Obama, let the investigators in and decide, wait for Fred Sanders Jul 2014 #7
Uhh, no, you haven't. nt. IronGate Jul 2014 #8
Obama says the burden is on Russia to insist the rebels cooperate with the investigation Kaleva Jul 2014 #28
Yes, obviously, Ukraine is on the border with Russia, not America, so of course. And they speak the Fred Sanders Jul 2014 #29
President Obama also says that the seperaists are being backed by Russia Kaleva Jul 2014 #30
All Putin would have to do is say a few simple words. Igel Jul 2014 #9
Do you know ANYTHING about the border of Russia and the Ukraine? happyslug Jul 2014 #27
Securing borders against determined people is difficult, America should know, is Russia going to put Fred Sanders Jul 2014 #31
The point is they are either accidentally or purposely destroying evidence davidpdx Jul 2014 #13
Sorry, but your lame attempts to protect putin from his responsibilities are Pathetic, Fred. Cha Jul 2014 #22
"crash"? It's not a crashed airplane, it's a downed airplane. Schema Thing Jul 2014 #6
They keep referring it to that way to diminish the act. freshwest Jul 2014 #10
And if Russia doesn't, what? They'll do nothing. There's nothing they can do. freshwest Jul 2014 #11
EU sanctions would be the next step. geek tragedy Jul 2014 #12
I've read some reports that sanctions hurt Russia; but only those connected to the EU. freshwest Jul 2014 #15
It already had a warm-water port. geek tragedy Jul 2014 #18
Europe as usual will be all "bark" and no "bite". roamer65 Jul 2014 #14
I would bet you have the correct prediction. BillZBubb Jul 2014 #26
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #16
US exceptionalism RedFury Jul 2014 #17
When you make a mistake, as small as it could be... Amonester Jul 2014 #20
Bush and Cheney's fucking Fuckup in Iraq has nothing to do with this.. we were all against it. This Cha Jul 2014 #24
how long till Putin is rehabilitated? quadrature Jul 2014 #19
Cool story bro. Cha Jul 2014 #25
Anti-Putin Protest in NYC.. Cha Jul 2014 #21
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