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In reply to the discussion: US: No link to Russian gov't in plane downing [View all]geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)11. Um, no that's not what the article says. It says there's no evidence of a direct
Russian link.
Other U.S. officials, including some at the Pentagon, have said with more certainty in recent days that Russia likely provided the missile system used by separatists to shoot down Flight 17. The more restrained presentation by intelligence officials Tuesday reflected the cautious nature of intelligence analysis.
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The officials said that the U.S. detected a surface-to-air missile launch at the time that the airliner was hit, in roughly the same separatist-controlled area in Eastern Ukraine; that there has been a growing flow of weapons from Russia to separatists over the last month; that Russians have provided training for separatist fighters in southwest Russia on antiaircraft weapons and other arms; and that separatists have downed more than a dozen aircraft during the conflict.
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The officials also said they had corroborated some of the Ukrainian communications intercepts that Kiev has said show separatists discussing the shootdown, using voiceprint analysis by the National Security Agency and the Central Intelligence Agency. They added that they are still going through their own databases of intercepts to find corroborating evidence, and that doing so could take time.
U.S. officials showed aerial photos of what they said was a training center in southwest Russia where separatists were taught to use air defense systems.
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The officials said that the U.S. detected a surface-to-air missile launch at the time that the airliner was hit, in roughly the same separatist-controlled area in Eastern Ukraine; that there has been a growing flow of weapons from Russia to separatists over the last month; that Russians have provided training for separatist fighters in southwest Russia on antiaircraft weapons and other arms; and that separatists have downed more than a dozen aircraft during the conflict.
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The officials also said they had corroborated some of the Ukrainian communications intercepts that Kiev has said show separatists discussing the shootdown, using voiceprint analysis by the National Security Agency and the Central Intelligence Agency. They added that they are still going through their own databases of intercepts to find corroborating evidence, and that doing so could take time.
U.S. officials showed aerial photos of what they said was a training center in southwest Russia where separatists were taught to use air defense systems.
That is not 'weak' intelligence (as always, with the provision that it's true)
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My favorite scene from Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb
IronGate
Jul 2014
#25
WSJ is running the same story. The intelligence case is weak and there is
Warren Stupidity
Jul 2014
#6
Ukraine was also present in the area with SAMs. Not a disinterested party.
Warren Stupidity
Jul 2014
#10
Um, no that's not what the article says. It says there's no evidence of a direct
geek tragedy
Jul 2014
#11
Honestly, did you & Ron Paul think a former KGB agent would actually leave his fingerprints?
Tarheel_Dem
Jul 2014
#46
Well, unlike Russia, you have to go back several adminstrations. Ukraine is happening NOW.
Tarheel_Dem
Jul 2014
#50
Ukraine is happening NOW. Russia just shot a plane full of people out of the sky.
Tarheel_Dem
Jul 2014
#63
Yeah, it takes talent and dedication on the level of a Gohmert or a Cruz. n/t
TygrBright
Jul 2014
#32
Smith may be the worst hack who has a regular column at Salon, and that's saying something.
geek tragedy
Jul 2014
#15
"That's why things have gone so smoothly, with the exception of eastern Ukraine"
geek tragedy
Jul 2014
#20
It makes you think not all of the US government is eager to ratchet things up to a fever pitch.
Karmadillo
Jul 2014
#35
It should be no surprise that there is no evidence linking Russia to the downing of the jet
Jack Rabbit
Jul 2014
#47
I think it's a GREAT PLAN to give "moderate Syrian rebels" another $500,000,000,
delrem
Jul 2014
#62