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In reply to the discussion: Terrorists fire rockets from Gaza hospital [View all]happyslug
(14,779 posts)Prior to the Invasion of Russia in June 1941, the Nazis killing of Jews were minimal. The actual Nazi Plan was to make life so miserable for the Jews, they would leave. In fact the Nazis were the #1 smugglers of Jews into what is now Israel prior to 1941. In May 1941, as Hitler was building up forces to Invade Russia, Yugoslavia had a coup, while Italy's Invasion of Greece was turning into an Italian debacle (As was the Italian Invasion of Egypt from Libya). The United Kingdom also took over Iraq in the Spring of 1941.
What all those war moves meant, was the last two method of smuggling Jews to Palestine were cut off. Germany could not send them through Russia, after Hitler attacked Russia in June 1941. Spain was an option after the fall of France in June 1940 (Through that also cut off the Dutch Ports, for Hitler used the Netherlands as part of the invasion of France, Netherlands being Neutral till Attacked in May 1940). Please note the Soviet Union route was a minor route for European Jews to escape the Nazis. Franco did not want the Jews, for the best place he could ship them was to the USA, which was rejecting them. Thus the main smuggling route was Germany to Yugoslavia (Pro Jew but Neutral till May 1941), then to Greece, or Bulgaria (A German Ally during WWII) and Turkey (Neutral, but pro-German). From Greece to Turkey the Jews would be put on boats and shipped to Palestine.
The German Invasion of Yugoslavia and then Greece, permitted the British to attack any ship in the Aegean Sea, which fell under Greek Rule (It appears that in at least the 1939-1941 period, most Smuggling of Jews were done by the Greeks, but paid for by the Germans). Turkey, fearing a joint British-Soviet attack, as happened to Iran in the Summer of 1941, as Britain and the then Neutral US wanted to secure a supply line to the Soviet Union, decided to appease the British by cutting off what little Jewish smuggling they had been doing.
Once the ways to smuggle Jews out of Europe disappeared, AND the rest of the world was at war with Germany, then and only then did the Nazis went into whole scale murder. First the SS teams sent into Russia to murder any Jews and Communist party members they found, then the death camps after December 1941.
I bring up the pre- holocaust Jews being kicked out of Europe, to show what Israel is doing to the Palestinians today. Since 1947 and the establishment of the Jewish State, the Israeli position has been the Palestinians (Both Christian and Moslem) should be resettled among the other "Arabs" of the Middle East, just like the Nazis said the Jews should go back to Palestine in pre-1941 days. Israel has REFUSED to accept the fact that one's tribe in more important to most Arabs then being an Arab, and thus moving someone from another tribe into your tribal area is unacceptable to them. It would be like moving poor inner city African Americans into an upper middle Class suburb, the howls would be loud and clear, even while admitting the African Americans have to live some place.
Israel has NEVER been in the position of the Nazi were in from 1941 to 1945, i.e. the whole world in active war with Israel, for the US has been pro-Israel since 1947. Thus Israel has always been in a position more like the Nazis pre-1941 then post 1941. Do to this support from the US, it has been the policy of Israel to "Encourage" movement of undesirables to places outside of Israel. Thus Israel policy is similar to the Nazis pre 1941 policy as to the Jews, to encourage such those undesirables to leave and everything, inducing an occasional murder, will be used to "encourage" such movement.
This policy has been effective. The West Bank, occupied since 1967, was, in many ways, more Christian then Moslem in 1967. The Christians controlled most commerce and tended to be what we would call the Upper Middle Class of the West Bank. Towns of importance, including Bethlehem, were majority Christian cities. The policies adopted by Israel to the people of the West Bank, were similar to the policies the Nazis adopted to the Jews in Europe pre 1941, separation and massive discrimination but minimal use of force. If people objected, force would be used, but if no one objected, people would be left alone EXCEPT for the massive discrimination against them. To avoid adverse reporting overt discrimination was avoided but even then non-Jews were forbidden in certain parts of the West Bank, and land was taken from land owners to build the various Jewish settlements (Israel had a policy that all land not being used belonged to Israel, and then ruled that land wanted by Jewish Settlements were not being used, even if they were.
Another policy was to favor Jewish Shops over non-Jewish shops. This not only included buying form those shops, but even selling supplies to those shops. Jewish merchants could get goods at a discount, but non jewish shops could not. These policies tended to hurt the upper middle class more then the poor. Given the Upper Middle Class tended to be Christian and had some money, they were the ones who moved, mostly to the US. Thus the US has a sizable Palestinian population, but it tends to be Christian not Moslem. On the other hand, the poor of the West Bank tended to be Moslem, and thus Cities like Bethlehem, went from being overwhelmingly Christian, as they have been since the time of the Roman Empire, to being majority Moslem Today. The poor, rely more on relatives and their network of friends to survive then did the Upper Middle Class (who also rely on Friends and Relatives, but as a whole can also rely on Money) and thus tend to stay with such network of friends and relatives. Thus since 1967 the people of the West Bank have been pushed further and further against the proverbial wall and with most of the old Upper Middle Class moved to America it is a bomb ready to go off. In many ways Israel would like such a blow up, for it would provide them with the cover story to kill the people of the West Bank is their continue to refuse to leave.
Gaza has always been poorer then the West Bank, it did not have the tourist traps of where Jesus was born and taught (and where Mohammad ascended into Heaven). On the other hand The Gaza Strip is a Fertile coastal plain that actually extends into most of present day Israel. Thus it was the easiest place for most Palestinians escaped to in 1947. Thus a rich plain, with a lot of poor farmers, (The old Joke Land Rich, Cash Poor) having to take in a massive number of refugees and keep them for over 60 years, is enough to bankrupt the whole economy. Worse Gaza has no real natural port, thus must import (and export) goods from Israel or Egypt. Gaza is easier to cut off then the West Bank, to its south is desert, thus the only way in or out is along the coastal Highway (Small Boats can take off from the Beeches of the Gaza Stripe, but so can Camels into the desert to the south. Both are easy to spot for they is no "Cover" to hide under, thus not a reasonable alternative to the Coastal Highway.
For those reasons Gaza had always been more radical then the West Bank. Gaza also tends to be more united then the West Bank, for the same reasons. Ancient Israel always had a problem with Gaza (Where the Ancient Philistines lived) for the same reasons present day Israel is having problems. Gaza is united behind its leaders and want to attack its enemies, which right now is Israel. On the other hand Israel wants Gaza gone, and doing what it can to get the people of Gaza to move elsewhere. Israel has been less successful in Gaza for the simple reason Gaza is more united, thus Israel tends to "drop" the hammer in Gaza much more then the Richer West Bank (Which still has some money, from tourism and trade via Jordan, which Israel has not totally cut off, for it can not for the Jordon River is NOT a real barrier to even truck transportation and being hillier and Greener the Gaza, the West Bank alternative routes have something we call "Cover" to hide under (i.e. Trees and other large natural objects).
Just why Israel policy if killing an Occasional Palestinian is similar to the Nazi's Policy as to the Jews in the 1930s.