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awoke_in_2003

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44. To what end?

Thu Jul 24, 2014, 07:02 PM

Jul 2014

Did we use propagandist demonization to go into Syria? If we were going to duke it out with anyone, we would have gone into Syria, not someone that can bloody our nose real good (Russia).

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Russia firing artillery on Ukraine troops: US [View all] Bosonic Jul 2014 OP

That is a very, very serious allegation geek tragedy Jul 2014 #1

I agree, geek tragedy. n/t Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #3

+1 Tarheel_Dem Jul 2014 #4

If true, I'd be inclined to say that Putin has lost his marbles. He won't stop at anything short Flatulo Jul 2014 #9

He doesn't want eastern Ukraine. candelista Jul 2014 #20

Then why does he have troops in East Ukraine? nt geek tragedy Jul 2014 #21

Where is your evidence for this? candelista Jul 2014 #27

Where is the "Evidence" for what you just spouted in this post? Cha Jul 2014 #57

It's obvious. Just use your brain. candelista Jul 2014 #66

SO you think Obama & Putin have "worked together"?? Good lord, are you blind? 7962 Jul 2014 #75

They have talked on the phone about Ukraine several times since the crisis. candelista Jul 2014 #78

I'm sure "talking on the phone" carried a lot of weight with Putin. Things are worse now. 7962 Jul 2014 #80

I don't think you understand my point. candelista Jul 2014 #81

Well, he made a bad trade because Putin isnt finished. 7962 Jul 2014 #84

It's not obvious to me. candelista Jul 2014 #85

Thats true. But it seems that they're awfully involved to not be "interested" in more. 7962 Jul 2014 #86

Stupid deflection.. you're callng for "evidence" but you have none to back up your spouts. Your Cha Jul 2014 #87

I Agree billhicks76 Jul 2014 #31

Indeed. This is senseless. nt geek tragedy Jul 2014 #39

Yeah, and 911 was an inside job, amiright? Flatulo Jul 2014 #62

What? That's some loose association! candelista Jul 2014 #67

Sorry if I mis-characterized. You seem to be of a conspiratorial bent. Am I wrong? Flatulo Jul 2014 #68

Obama and Putin talked by phone several times on Ukraine recently. candelista Jul 2014 #79

which is why i guess i feel so skeptical. barbtries Jul 2014 #38

With the way the president handled Syria... awoke_in_2003 Jul 2014 #43

I trust this won't be from Twitter this time... ballyhoo Jul 2014 #2

Oh great! Another Gulf of Tonkin incident. Crowman1979 Jul 2014 #5

Along with the WMD BS from ten years earlier. Crowman1979 Jul 2014 #6

Do you have knowledge that contradicts these claims geek tragedy Jul 2014 #8

Hey greek tragedy! The Dutch, Auggies are in the process of Iliyah Jul 2014 #19

I imagine they'll bring suit in NY, USA. nt geek tragedy Jul 2014 #25

Past experience with US lies is the basis for my skepticism. candelista Jul 2014 #23

The Russians are liars too, so if they deny it geek tragedy Jul 2014 #28

And babies 'thrown out of incubators' in Kuwait before the Gulf War candelista Jul 2014 #22

This has the distinct odor of bullshit. HooptieWagon Jul 2014 #7

Huh? I thought modern artillery could reach 30 miles or more...? Flatulo Jul 2014 #10

Artillery can include rockets, as well as howitzers, etc., and you are correct. n/t ColesCountyDem Jul 2014 #14

The ones ISIS got from the US can (M198) jakeXT Jul 2014 #15

16 inch battleship guns had a range of 25 miles or so. HooptieWagon Jul 2014 #17

The range is far longer than you think. jeff47 Jul 2014 #61

a few miles? itsrobert Jul 2014 #11

Well R3druM Jul 2014 #18

All I see is a map and a couple pictures of wreckage. candelista Jul 2014 #26

Try cstanleytech Jul 2014 #36

You'd have to go rummaging through various sources. Igel Jul 2014 #58

Because they killed a man and injured a woman in Russia ? jakeXT Jul 2014 #45

That doesn't justify a 10 mile corridor for shelling with impunity. joshcryer Jul 2014 #51

This is a meaningless post. Igel Jul 2014 #60

Blogging Russian soldiers? HooptieWagon Jul 2014 #48

"Artillery has a short range" Depends on the type being used. cstanleytech Jul 2014 #32

Missiles are different. HooptieWagon Jul 2014 #52

They classify it all as artillery. nt cstanleytech Jul 2014 #64

Don't know much about modern artillery do you? IronGate Jul 2014 #65

'Evidence'. The quotation marks are appropriate. CJCRANE Jul 2014 #12

The international community isn't going to do anything. The Europeans have no taste for war, Flatulo Jul 2014 #29

They can go over 30 miles Iliyah Jul 2014 #13

+1! n/t ColesCountyDem Jul 2014 #16

Here's a website that claims that the Russian soldiers are putting themselves amandabeech Jul 2014 #24

Who could doubt the source, Valdimir Petrov @_hedder? :) candelista Jul 2014 #30

As I wrote, I cannot vouch for the source, amandabeech Jul 2014 #34

Because former CIA media spokesperson and analyst Harf likes social media, it may well be the source jakeXT Jul 2014 #47

Thanks for the video.... KoKo Jul 2014 #83

This guy is extremely good at what he does. joshcryer Jul 2014 #50

I've seen some of his work, but I don't have the skills to really evaluate his work. amandabeech Jul 2014 #54

This has been going on for weeks, though. joshcryer Jul 2014 #55

Russia "responding strongly" would be an escalation. amandabeech Jul 2014 #56

We need a military person to explain the video: freshwest Jul 2014 #72

Memories.... cosmicone Jul 2014 #33

Nope not even close as the main difference is the Bush administration wanted an excuse to invade cstanleytech Jul 2014 #37

Propagandist demonization nevertheless n/t cosmicone Jul 2014 #40

To what end? awoke_in_2003 Jul 2014 #44

We have been at making Russia and others look bad for decades cosmicone Jul 2014 #49

Oh, I will concede our hands are not clean... awoke_in_2003 Jul 2014 #53

Fast Forward 11 years... MattSh Jul 2014 #82

Kick & recommended. William769 Jul 2014 #35

Update: HooptieWagon Jul 2014 #41

'Evidence' US leaders are full of shit: DeSwiss DeSwiss Jul 2014 #42

They are fully rogue. And so because of the ballyhoo Jul 2014 #46

And, Russia/Putin/RT will try to slither out of it just like they do everything else except putin Cha Jul 2014 #59

Harf. 'Is there a YouTube video?' Ukraine. 24 July 2014 jakeXT Jul 2014 #63

The US isn't releasing higher intel to prevent "red lines." joshcryer Jul 2014 #69

Or they leave it for the passing of the Russian Aggression Prevention Act of 2014 jakeXT Jul 2014 #71

However it goes, at least Obama isn't escalating. joshcryer Jul 2014 #73

wouldn't it be nice if Washington only shelled countries our artillery can reach from US? yurbud Jul 2014 #70

You Putin lovers made fun of me when i told you he wasnt done. And he's still not. 7962 Jul 2014 #74

Russian military likely reluctant participants in Ukraine: U.S. general. dipsydoodle Jul 2014 #76

Odd statement. Russia's military does what it's told by Putin . geek tragedy Jul 2014 #77