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101. I know you are not really that slow

Thu Jul 24, 2014, 07:57 PM

Jul 2014

First, the audio/video doesn't start at the beginning of the interview. He is right in the middle of a meandering discourse, trying to point out that the Ukrainian army was using the passengers of civilian airliners as human shields while attacking militants or even positions that didn't have any strategic value in order to provoke a catastrophe. Regardless of whether this theory is well-founded - it wasn't just his own and must have been based on experiences they had, see: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014853729#post97

Second, he clearly says he didn't know anything about Buks being in the possession of militants, but that he "heard about" it, AFTER the accident had happened. Who knows from whom and under what circumstances.

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Exclusive: Ukraine rebel commander acknowledges fighters had BUK missile [View all] Bosonic Jul 2014 OP

That was already known to be a fact. dipsydoodle Jul 2014 #1

Did you read the third paragraph? Bosonic Jul 2014 #2

I'd missed that. dipsydoodle Jul 2014 #4

Yup. Your narrative is crumbling. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2014 #29

There was however something else that did become clear dipsydoodle Jul 2014 #30

There's nothing left to "figure". We know exactly what happened, and Russia's the root cause. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2014 #33

dipsy, time to admit that innocent fighters against facism killed a planeload of civilians... Adrahil Jul 2014 #31

No...the article seems to say that Ukraine provoked the attack...not Russia... KoKo Jul 2014 #50

That's nonsense. Adrahil Jul 2014 #51

No...it said that Ukrainian aircraft attacked the area just before KoKo Jul 2014 #52

That may be the background reason dipsydoodle Jul 2014 #53

So dippy... It's Ukraine's fault? That's your position? Adrahil Jul 2014 #55

It's the fault of the person who pressed the damn button..... lexx21 Jul 2014 #92

And yet, they targeted and killed an airliner.... Adrahil Jul 2014 #54

Read Post 45 for context...you have yet to do that...... KoKo Jul 2014 #58

Yes, I read the post. It's freakin' nonsense. I'll reply to it for ya. Adrahil Jul 2014 #94

Just that? Codeine Jul 2014 #39

Sounds like you have new facts to learn. Read the story. geek tragedy Jul 2014 #3

Sounds confused that man ? jakeXT Jul 2014 #6

No, he has remarkable clarity. geek tragedy Jul 2014 #14

And they knew Kiev used passenger planes as human shields jakeXT Jul 2014 #18

You know not everything on the Internet is true, right? geek tragedy Jul 2014 #21

But the State Department told me so.. /nt jakeXT Jul 2014 #24

It has been proven that Kiev ATC sent the Malaysian plane cosmicone Jul 2014 #26

That's the stupidest shit I've read today. tabasco Jul 2014 #105

"Owned" is a broad term.... happyslug Jul 2014 #22

he's saying the rebels were in possession of the missiles geek tragedy Jul 2014 #23

You seem to misunderstand what Reuters reported reorg Jul 2014 #67

Man, just like the Russian information ministry, your ability geek tragedy Jul 2014 #70

"I heard about it" - "I think" - "They probably" - "I was told" reorg Jul 2014 #74

so, now that he's towing the Moscow line, he's no longer a double agent? geek tragedy Jul 2014 #75

Looks like Western propaganda is quite effective outside of China and India reorg Jul 2014 #77

No, it's that the rest of the planet doesn't get brainwashed by Russia's propaganda geek tragedy Jul 2014 #80

They also have something prepared for Germany jakeXT Jul 2014 #91

But but but Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #5

That poster has been conspicuously absent Codeine Jul 2014 #34

maybe that young man went west nt geek tragedy Jul 2014 #36

Good one davidpdx Jul 2014 #71

coincidentally, the low post ones appear geek tragedy Jul 2014 #72

hmm...good observation davidpdx Jul 2014 #73

Squirrel! Iliyah Jul 2014 #7

they can call this guy as a witness, he seems to have something geek tragedy Jul 2014 #8

Further down in the article, Reuters reports that Khodakovsky is one of the amandabeech Jul 2014 #9

this is a giant chasm between the factions. geek tragedy Jul 2014 #10

He sounds tired of the whole thing. amandabeech Jul 2014 #12

it has gone on too long. he knows it nt geek tragedy Jul 2014 #15

Maybe, just maybe, this man has a heart. Iliyah Jul 2014 #19

How many other "separatists" might feel the same way after the shoot-down. amandabeech Jul 2014 #28

We have no other option, jakeXT Jul 2014 #16

He is probably a plant by the Ukrainian puppet government n/t cosmicone Jul 2014 #27

Didn't he switch sides ozone_man Jul 2014 #32

Nope. still shooting at government troops. He's just telling the truth, unlike geek tragedy Jul 2014 #35

Oh good lord. Codeine Jul 2014 #37

it's all they got. nt geek tragedy Jul 2014 #38

Which begs the question.. wth do they have Cha Jul 2014 #61

Oh good god, IronGate Jul 2014 #69

"I am required to promote the side I represent, even if I might think otherwise geek tragedy Jul 2014 #11

He also likes to make everything clear in his intercepted phone calls jakeXT Jul 2014 #13

sounds like he is the source for uncovering a lot of evil deeds reorg Jul 2014 #20

That's it! Even though he's been waging war against Ukraine's government geek tragedy Jul 2014 #57

Khodakovskiy says that he never stated to his interviewer anything of the kind reorg Jul 2014 #59

Life News. geek tragedy Jul 2014 #64

Do you speak Russian? reorg Jul 2014 #65

Say, why did Team Putin not release geek tragedy Jul 2014 #66

I don't know about Putin, but I did. reorg Jul 2014 #68

men wearing Ukraine Military Uniform fired the missile Billy Budd Jul 2014 #76

Robert Parry, a known Kremlin sycophant, is the only source on the planet for the uniform claim. geek tragedy Jul 2014 #78

Robert Parry is a noted journalist Billy Budd Jul 2014 #79

"in the 1980's" --yes, part of being a "has-been" is having once displayed merit and achievement. geek tragedy Jul 2014 #81

However Billy Budd Jul 2014 #82

have you ever been west, young man? nt geek tragedy Jul 2014 #83

yes I saw this on the LA Times Billy Budd Jul 2014 #84

"it was possible the SA-11 was launched by a defector from the Ukrainian military who was trained geek tragedy Jul 2014 #85

what about number 4 Billy Budd Jul 2014 #87

No intelligent, sane human being believes this was a US-sponsored black op. nt geek tragedy Jul 2014 #88

Post removed Post removed Jul 2014 #89

Because people who promote that crazy talk cite white supremacists like Paul Craig Roberts to geek tragedy Jul 2014 #90

Post removed Post removed Jul 2014 #86

The guy is obviously a plant and not a real rebel representative cosmicone Jul 2014 #40

This message was self-deleted by its author geek tragedy Jul 2014 #41

. geek tragedy Jul 2014 #42

Excellent comparison. GliderGuider Jul 2014 #45

More like cosmicone Jul 2014 #48

The straws, you must grasp at them!! Codeine Jul 2014 #44

It is not a straw but a huge sturdy column with handles to hold n/t cosmicone Jul 2014 #46

Mmm-hmm. nt Codeine Jul 2014 #49

He was reported as a rebel commander by the NYT 6 weeks ago. Adrahil Jul 2014 #56

Oppsie! blackspade Jul 2014 #17

Kick & recommended. William769 Jul 2014 #25

Sounds like he's close to unburdening his soul. GliderGuider Jul 2014 #43

My read is that he's saying Ukraine provoked the missle attack KoKo Jul 2014 #47

He now says he never made the alleged statement reorg Jul 2014 #60

Well...it came from the Reuter's Report of the OP..... KoKo Jul 2014 #62

Yes, I know reorg Jul 2014 #63

This is SUCH BS Adrahil Jul 2014 #95

perhaps it is, perhaps not, using airliners as human shields reorg Jul 2014 #97

Reuters releases the audio: joshcryer Jul 2014 #93

But you link to "Radio Free Europe"? reorg Jul 2014 #96

"I knew that a Buk came from Luhansk" joshcryer Jul 2014 #98

"I do NOT know about this Buk ... reorg Jul 2014 #99

So, confirmation. joshcryer Jul 2014 #100

I know you are not really that slow reorg Jul 2014 #101

If the rebels didn't have Buks, Ukraine geek tragedy Jul 2014 #102

just read what Khodakovsky said, please? reorg Jul 2014 #103

Seems like an attempt to transition geek tragedy Jul 2014 #104