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blackspade

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143. That is not a viable solution though.

Fri Jul 25, 2014, 04:12 PM

Jul 2014

Unarmed civilians are not going to tell Hamas shit.
If they begin to arm themselves, how will the IDF tell them apart from Hamas?

The realistic solution is for Israel to return the West Bank to the Palestinians, establish and overland route to Gaza, and allow the Palestinians to govern themselves. But that is not what the Israeli government wants.
They want the land, just not the folks who live on it.

My ultimate solution would be a single state, with equal representation by all of it's inhabitants regardless of culture or creed. But that door unfortunately is shut and it would take tremendous courage from all side to open it.

Some info that my help in the discussion:

http://www.thenation.com/article/180783/five-israeli-talking-points-gaza-debunked#

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Terrorists fire rockets from Gaza hospital [View all] question everything Jul 2014 OP

The people of Gaza need to remove the Hamas terrorists from power seveneyes Jul 2014 #1

You are so wrong. JDPriestly Jul 2014 #59

NY TIMES: Israel bombs building where it urged Palestinians to take shelter RobertEarl Jul 2014 #70

"Israel is fighting for its survival". LOL Sam1 Jul 2014 #103

The Israelis found Israeli military uniforms in a Palestinian tunnel, but the Palestinians JDPriestly Jul 2014 #112

As far as I can tell, Gaza is just a big concentration camp. candelista Jul 2014 #135

Question: "The Israelis found Israeli military uniforms in a Palestinian tunnel, Sam1 Jul 2014 #140

I read in the New York Times (sorry I read the hard copy) JDPriestly Jul 2014 #144

A country with nuclear weapons is not "fighting for its survival" alarimer Jul 2014 #147

Note to Hamas -- YOU'RE NOT HELPING! perdita9 Jul 2014 #2

Sicking but not surprising. iandhr Jul 2014 #3

Wow, only 6 minutes after you predicted it! Its getting sad here on DU. 7962 Jul 2014 #44

Link please. Kingofalldems Jul 2014 #64

Sure. Heres one lamenting the low Israeli death toll 7962 Jul 2014 #77

How wrong can you be? RobertEarl Jul 2014 #78

Then the world should be pressuring the palestinians to dump Hamas as their leaders. 7962 Jul 2014 #87

Wrong again RobertEarl Jul 2014 #98

So the world SHOULDNT tell the Palestinians to rid themselves of a terrorist organization?? 7962 Jul 2014 #108

That post most certainly does not say Kingofalldems Jul 2014 #88

It boggles the mind Puzzledtraveller Jul 2014 #120

Any excuse to further destroy the Palestinians' infrastructure blackspade Jul 2014 #4

And we have a winner... iandhr Jul 2014 #7

Hamas fan club.... blackspade Jul 2014 #20

You obviously dont know what "terror" is, do you? 7962 Jul 2014 #45

I have picked a 'team?' blackspade Jul 2014 #63

Why did you put quotes round the word civilian? Violet_Crumble Jul 2014 #79

Because Hamas has decreed that ALL casualties are to be called civilian. 7962 Jul 2014 #86

Ah, so Hamas made you do it? I could swear I've heard that somewhere before... Violet_Crumble Jul 2014 #89

I specifically said children WERE civilians. Their parents are to blame for not moving. 7962 Jul 2014 #90

Leave? And where do the civilians go? blackspade Jul 2014 #92

There is a lot of Gaza not under assault. 7962 Jul 2014 #106

Gaza is 139 sq mi. blackspade Jul 2014 #109

If they took to the streets denouncing Hamas, they'd have immediate support of Egypt, Jordan, etc 7962 Jul 2014 #129

You have a complete lack of understanding of both blackspade Jul 2014 #130

If you think Israel would stop an anti-Hamas protest, you're delusional. 7962 Jul 2014 #132

You live in a county of over 417 Square Miles happyslug Jul 2014 #133

So, according to you Hamas has allowed you to say only children are civilians... Violet_Crumble Jul 2014 #122

Hamas is the Palestinian people pretzel4gore Jul 2014 #28

7 minutes....is that a record? George II Jul 2014 #34

Speaking of infrasturcture.. question everything Jul 2014 #8

You mean build stuff to protect your own people from harm... iandhr Jul 2014 #11

YEah, after all, what do they have to show for the billions in aid they've been given? 7962 Jul 2014 #46

We are Israeli reservists. We refuse to serve. RobertEarl Jul 2014 #71

Every civilized service has dissenters. We had them here in the US. 7962 Jul 2014 #72

From your journal RobertEarl Jul 2014 #73

What point are you trying to make? 7962 Jul 2014 #74

Really? You don't get the dichotomy of your opinions? RobertEarl Jul 2014 #75

What a novel idea. 840high Jul 2014 #56

And who says they aren't? blackspade Jul 2014 #22

Are you even watching the news? question everything Jul 2014 #54

There are most certainly shelters, but they will eventually be compromised and bombed. blackspade Jul 2014 #66

I have seen ZERO evidence leftynyc Jul 2014 #84

I don't believe that I mentioned Hamas building shelters for civilians. blackspade Jul 2014 #91

So three posts up where you said this: leftynyc Jul 2014 #94

I'm aware of what I said. And? blackspade Jul 2014 #95

Oh - it's not me with the bloodlust leftynyc Jul 2014 #96

I'm not 'pretending' that I was saying that civilians were building their own shelters.... blackspade Jul 2014 #97

Really? Where are all these posts you speak of? Violet_Crumble Jul 2014 #125

Spare me leftynyc Jul 2014 #126

No. You called another DUer a liar in this thread for not providing links... Violet_Crumble Jul 2014 #127

But you have plenty of sympathy for a right wing child murderer DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2014 #146

And in this case the excuse would be justified. Israel has every right to take out totodeinhere Jul 2014 #14

Nope, not justified. blackspade Jul 2014 #23

So what's the alternative? christx30 Jul 2014 #134

The alternative is to not bomb hospitals and 'safe' areas. blackspade Jul 2014 #136

So the rockets continue to fire christx30 Jul 2014 #138

So what is your solution? blackspade Jul 2014 #139

My solution is for christx30 Jul 2014 #142

That is not a viable solution though. blackspade Jul 2014 #143

disgusting but hardly surprising coming from Hamas rollin74 Jul 2014 #5

Hospitals in Gaza have so much extra room... HooptieWagon Jul 2014 #6

what is the difference between the terms patriot and terrorist dembotoz Jul 2014 #9

Simple I am a patriot they are terrorist. Sam1 Jul 2014 #99

ain't dat da truth dembotoz Jul 2014 #131

Using Hospitals and children as human sheilds is beneath contempt. Rhinodawg Jul 2014 #10

Says the guy cheering on the Israeli murder of more than a hundred children. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2014 #15

Could you link me to the cheering part leftynyc Jul 2014 #38

I haven't... Rhinodawg Jul 2014 #47

I know you haven't leftynyc Jul 2014 #82

No apology forthcoming. Rhinodawg Jul 2014 #113

Post counts have nothing to do with it leftynyc Jul 2014 #114

Using the death of three teenagers as an excuse to kill hundreds, wound thousands, and destroy Sam1 Jul 2014 #100

Of course both sides are pulling shite... it's war JCMach1 Jul 2014 #12

This sums it up, I'm afraid. LeftishBrit Jul 2014 #116

IDF shelled the hospital LAST WEEK while the patients were still in the hospital azurnoir Jul 2014 #13

Thank you. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2014 #16

Good point, azurnoir. broiles Jul 2014 #19

Wow, that really provides some perspective. Thank you. nt stillwaiting Jul 2014 #24

You post that like it's news leftynyc Jul 2014 #26

The Israelis told everyone to get out over a week ago. Just like they've been doing from the start. 7962 Jul 2014 #48

Is YNet News considered a reliable news source? It's headlines suggest it's not. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2014 #17

as reliable as any these days given that azurnoir Jul 2014 #42

Don't worry. Some moderators here would lock this in a heartbit question everything Jul 2014 #55

DU doesn't have moderators. And you shouldn't speak on behalf of LBN hosts... Violet_Crumble Jul 2014 #123

It was mentioned a couple days ago the main general hospital also has a complex under it. Sunlei Jul 2014 #18

+ 1000 Rhinodawg Jul 2014 #25

Thanks for pointing that out; I thought I was the only one who noticed. 7962 Jul 2014 #49

Letter from Gaza by a Norwegian doctor, "this,THIS cannot continue." RobertEarl Jul 2014 #69

Has DU become hasbera central? broiles Jul 2014 #21

You mean because there are those leftynyc Jul 2014 #27

?? do you mean "Hasbara"? or what do you mean anyway? Sunlei Jul 2014 #30

Great video OF ARTILLERY STRIKES, where is the video of Missile and rocket launching??? happyslug Jul 2014 #29

I watched the video and I did not see any rockets launched from the building either Bjorn Against Jul 2014 #53

And some defend these people. NaturalHigh Jul 2014 #31

That's not really an excuse to bomb the hospital. The Stranger Jul 2014 #32

I agree. Netanyahu is a terrorist, just like cheney.nt bravenak Jul 2014 #33

If your neighbor is christx30 Jul 2014 #37

No big loss? Marrah_G Jul 2014 #101

If your neighbor was christx30 Jul 2014 #104

I think your views are inhumane and lack any compassion Marrah_G Jul 2014 #105

I have compassion. christx30 Jul 2014 #107

The Israeli government is not an animal Marrah_G Jul 2014 #111

What do you think the Israelies should do? christx30 Jul 2014 #118

Are you for real? leftynyc Jul 2014 #39

Believe it. It is not justifiable to blow up a hostpital just because there are rockets in it. The Stranger Jul 2014 #41

Then you agree that the Israel invasion christx30 Jul 2014 #51

So it's perfectly okay leftynyc Jul 2014 #83

Amazing how bad its gotten here, isnt it? 7962 Jul 2014 #50

Beyond comprehension... PCIntern Jul 2014 #121

they were warned by IDF over a week ago SnakeEyes Jul 2014 #80

terrorist fire rockets from hospital RedstDem Jul 2014 #35

Hamas is a bunch of scumbag war criminals, but we knew that.nt geek tragedy Jul 2014 #36

The pro war people must be happy dead_head Jul 2014 #40

They were rocket-propelled bandaids tabasco Jul 2014 #43

The Gaza death toll has now reached 700. According to the UN... countryjake Jul 2014 #52

All they have to do is stop with the rockets and with tunnels question everything Jul 2014 #57

It's not difficult to understand at all... countryjake Jul 2014 #61

If israel's goal is to kill arabs SnakeEyes Jul 2014 #81

Isreal has to be careful, like Hitler was prior to 1941. happyslug Jul 2014 #102

You just equated Jews jerkstore90210 Jul 2014 #115

I made an effort to use Israel for the present Government, and Jews for that nationaity happyslug Jul 2014 #117

I don't think Hamas cares. 840high Jul 2014 #58

I'd guess that they care as much as any people being trompled by a Goliath... countryjake Jul 2014 #62

Are there any palestinians who are AGAINST hamas ? Rhinodawg Jul 2014 #60

I watched a man being interviewed - 840high Jul 2014 #67

55% voted against them in the last election. LeftishBrit Jul 2014 #85

Of course there are. But why are you expecting them to speak up on behalf of Israelis right now? Violet_Crumble Jul 2014 #124

This is the saddest thread ever on DU RobertEarl Jul 2014 #65

One can guarantee with no chance of being wrong cpwm17 Jul 2014 #76

No chance of being wrong? candelista Jul 2014 #137

You seem to have been awfully one sided in this larger debate Nevernose Jul 2014 #141

BS RobertEarl Jul 2014 #145

Trolls rustydad Jul 2014 #68

Propaganda harun Jul 2014 #93

RT is a forbidden, state-sponsored source! JackRiddler Jul 2014 #110

Cognitive dissonance on display. Puzzledtraveller Jul 2014 #119

The footage shows no rockets being fired Scootaloo Jul 2014 #128