Facebook hires software engineers from India to fill US posts

[HiPointDem]

34. I must have replied to the wrong post; I included the info on software engineering because

someone mentioned it specifically.

In fact, there is no shortage of electrical engineers either. There are about 150K electrical engineers (excluding self-employed) in the US. Mean annual wage is about $90K, median annual wage about $85K, meaning half make $85K or less.

http://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes172071.htm

Demand for EE grads is projected to increase 6% (slower than average) 2010-20. The US is expected to add about 18K EE jobs over that period, or 1800 a year. Do you really think the US is incapable of supplying 1800 EEs a year?

http://www.bls.gov/ooh/architecture-and-engineering/electrical-and-electronics-engineers.htm

In 2009 the unemployment rate for EEs was at record levels:

"The news for EEs was particularly bad as the jobless rate more than doubled from 4.1 percent in the first quarter to a record-high 8.6 percent in the second. The previous quarterly record was 7 percent, in the first quarter of 2003."

Read more: http://tdworld.com/business/engineer-unemployment-rate-0709/#ixzz1qYTBh8dY

In 2010:

"Among electrical engineers, the unemployment rate dropped from 7.3% to 5.2% from the third to fourth quarter. Good news? Not necessarily, because the total pool of employed electrical engineers declined in that same period by 3%, from 331,000 to 321,000."

http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9149278/Obama_s_jobs_push_arrives_as_engineers_leave_IT

Here (at the link) is a graph of salaries for EEs v inflation, 1999-2009. Salaries have basically tracked inflation, which means they've been basically flat over the period.

http://www.myplan.com/bar_chart.php?type=salary&first_year=1999&last_year=2009&1999=61520&2000=66320&2001=68630&2002=70480&2003=72090&2004=74220&2005=76060&2006=78900&2007=82090&2008=85350&2009=86250&secondary=cpi


There is no evidence of shortage in any engineering field, except perhaps spot shortages in certain regions or for certain specialized tasks. The omnipresent propaganda that there is comes from think tanks paid to cherry-pick to find that result in order to justify h1b and other wage-suppressing programs. There is no evidence of labor shortages in ANY high tech field.

The same think tanks paid to find evidence that US schooling has become worse than ever, and worse in comparison to other countries, in order to break protections for teachers. The same for public workers, the same for auto workers. All the last bastions of unionization in the US, what a surprise.

Your claim that Indian and Pakistani doctors are not working for less is false. Doctors and nurses are also (since 1990) under competition from h1b recruits (as well as from several other directions, which is why private practices are disappearing and why even specialties are flatlining.)

http://www.workpermit.com/us/medical_h1b_foreign_doctors.htm

"The Medical Group Management Association (MGMA) released its latest data regarding physician earnings. The 2008 report is based on 2007 annual compensation, and the results show that compensation for specialists was generally flat, and some specialists even showed a decline in average income when compared to data from the previous year."

The primary impetus of the HMO conversion of the late 80s/early 90s was to force MDs into HMOs and pay them on salary. At the same time, h1b visas, PAs, nurse practitioners and other low-wage options for primary care were opened up & student loans took on an increasing importance in education financing, while medical school costs outpaced inflation.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-KKoxYzCKT0s/TnKlZVcwgAI/AAAAAAAAAyg/SQ1WEmQ6bjo/s1600/851_1+declining+physician+salary.jpg


Your claim that "Underpayment and unavailability of qualified applicants are not factors that are mutually excluding" is just stupid.

Basic laws of economics (verified by history) say wages rise in tight labor markets. Flat or declining wages = NO SHORTAGE.

There are many effective lies that have no truth behind them except this one: information is effectively controlled by the ruling class, and a significant fraction of people won't search out the rest of the story because they take what's fed to them at face value. Not the least of the reasons for that is the fairystory we are fed from birth -- about how wonderful our economic system is, along with demonization of ordinary people as "losers" who don't deserve better because they are stupid, unwilling to work and improve themselves, crazy, criminal, not "the best & the brightest" -- is so inculcated in us from the cradle that it takes us years to notice the glitches in the matrix and start thinking about them.

I took the time to answer your post at length on the off-chance that you are still young and immersed in the lies of our times.