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Peace Patriot

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39. You make a good point...
Fri Mar 30, 2012, 03:56 PM
Mar 2012

...that people who bought cotton from the South could also be anti-slavery, cuz we all get caught up in the net of trade and need to stop and think about things, and take a lot of time and personal effort to track products back to their source and to evaluate information, and make ethical judgements. It's not so easy to do. Was everyone in England who bought a dress or shirt of cotton spun in India but manufactured in England responsible for the poverty in British-run India? They had to think it through (with Gandhi's help). And what about the horrible conditions in the sweatshops in England itself? Was everyone who bought a dress or shirt from those shops guilty of oppressing and killing the poor women who made them? It's difficult to take responsibility for everything we buy.

And it's even more difficult now, in our wildly "consumer society" with products not only from everywhere on the globe but often from multiple countries--for instance, cotton from the toxic fields of Uzbekistan, spun I don't know where, is then shipped by oil-dripping tankers to the sweatshops in the Mariana Islands, where poverty-stricken women shipped in (as "indentured slaves&quot from Asia turn it into Gap jeans and sweatshirts, which are then shipped to our ports. Not until I read a dockworkers pamphlet from a union in Oakland did I have any idea that toxic cotton growing was a main cause of turning the Aral Sea into one of the ten most toxic places on earth; and my knowledge of the Mariana sweatshops came by another, indirect route. Now I boycott Gap stores but this information was not easy to get--and where does the boycott end? Other transglobal clothing manufacturers are equally bad. I could go on and on about them and other U.S.-based retailers in Latin America. And, of course, then there are food, household appliances, electronics and...hey!--electronic voting machines for the U.S. "market" manufactured in sweatshops in the Philippines! Our voting machines!

It's a BIG and COMPLICATED problem--and it's easy enough to pick one big company, like Apple, and dis all of its customers because THEY outsourced to China and the customers ought to know this and ought to do something about it.

The problem is political, here. We need to take back our government--not easy to do, but it IS the source of this multi-faceted problem and would be the vehicle to solve it with, if we as a people had any such power left. Of course we can do boycotts and pressure campaigns and we can think and think about all of the products we buy, and do research, and try to avoid transglobal corporations (try doing that with oil!) and try to help local "good guys" (or even distant "good guys," on coffee beans, for instance). But we can't do it for everything and we can't stop it happening, again and again, that products sold here are harming workers and the environment somewhere else, for the profit of the very rich. It will keep happening until we reclaim our democratic power. My suggestion is to start with the corporate-run, 'TRADE SECRET' voting machines foisted off on us during the 2002 to 2004 period to keep this Corporate Coup d'Etat in place over us forever. And start with the truly "bad guy" corporation that controls most of those 'TRADE SECRET' voting machines (and manufactures them in the Philippines): ES&S (which bought out Diebold).

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he's going there to twist arms in an attempt to pressure mangement into keep the leftyohiolib Mar 2012 #1
I imagine that your mind-reading skills could be put to better use than this. nt. harmonicon Mar 2012 #18
my mind reading skills are such that i can do both leftyohiolib Mar 2012 #26
Even though Daisey's "report" was less than factual, the number of suicides does indicate oppressive gateley Mar 2012 #2
Conditions there are oppressive, however the suicide rate is lower than the average Chinese factory. onehandle Mar 2012 #3
I didn't know that about the suicide rate -- wow. gateley Mar 2012 #7
I inhabit several Apple forums and call for Apple to buy inert American factories... onehandle Mar 2012 #10
I don't understand all the tax stuff, but I've heard that Apple won't be bringing back those gateley Mar 2012 #23
apple can blame what ever apple wants. it has to do with control leftyohiolib Mar 2012 #27
It has nothing to do with taxes quakerboy Mar 2012 #38
Why should the onus be on manufacturers and those they contract with? harmonicon Mar 2012 #19
Excellent point! Outsourcing jobs should be AGAINST THE LAW here... Peace Patriot Mar 2012 #36
Oh how nice! A damage control visit. Crowman1979 Mar 2012 #4
I will never buy an apple product magic59 Mar 2012 #5
Whatever you posted this on was made by Chinese slave labor. nt onehandle Mar 2012 #6
+1 nt. harmonicon Mar 2012 #20
What's your phone? What's your computer? Are you going to boycott those companies as gateley Mar 2012 #9
I am not going to buy anything Apple because I don't need any of their products Kolesar Mar 2012 #16
Those are valid reasons, IMO -- but I just don't understand those who gateley Mar 2012 #21
Well it got results, didn't it? Pholus Mar 2012 #22
As I said, the hope is that all this attention will result in some help. gateley Mar 2012 #24
That's reasonable of course... Pholus Mar 2012 #25
Yeah, in theory, but they seem to have all slipped beneath the radar gateley Mar 2012 #30
I'm not clear what part was not factual... Pholus Mar 2012 #33
I was wrong, then -- I thought it was conjecture (or something). But look: gateley Mar 2012 #34
how about keep the computer and quit buying the icrap garbage they keep pumping out leftyohiolib Mar 2012 #28
Don't fret the naysayers. raouldukelives Mar 2012 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Mar 2012 #13
China of course. raouldukelives Mar 2012 #15
Sound of crickets chirping.... Pholus Mar 2012 #32
Eh, it's all good. raouldukelives Mar 2012 #35
You make a good point... Peace Patriot Mar 2012 #39
Wow. Great food for thought! raouldukelives Mar 2012 #40
Surprisingly, POW barracks in Germany always seemed so nice ... when the Red Cross visited. PSPS Mar 2012 #8
How on earth is this LBN? savalez Mar 2012 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Mar 2012 #14
The "legitimate press"? Peace Patriot Mar 2012 #37
iPed's and aPads and bears, OH MY!!! Pholus Mar 2012 #17
The part I find hard to swallow is that Mike Daisey has an 'upscale' NY City Apartment. Bluenorthwest Mar 2012 #29
LOL!!!! Pholus Mar 2012 #31
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