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In reply to the discussion: Irish senator blasts Israel as ‘right-wing regime’ committing ‘criminal’ acts in epic rant [View all]Divernan
(15,480 posts)68. Your link was in 2005; Hamas won election in 2006.
Do you live in an alternate universe where time runs in reverse?
The point is very simple. You rely on a link of speculation, said link published in 2005, which prophesied that if Hamas won an election in Palestine, that homosexuality would be, and I quote the exact word, "punished" ( not killed, as you earlier claimed). I pointed out that Hamas in fact won an election (2006) since that prophesy was made, and I asked you to provide me facts, i.e., names, dates of death, etc. of any homosexual killed in Gaza since then. In fact, let's make it easier for you - give me facts re any homosexual being punished in Gaza. Tried? Imprisoned? Exiled?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/26/AR2006012600372.html
Hamas Sweeps Palestinian Elections, Complicating Peace Efforts in Mideast
By Scott Wilson
Washington Post Foreign Service
Friday, January 27, 2006
RAMALLAH, West Bank, Jan. 26 -- The radical Islamic movement Hamas won a large majority in the new Palestinian parliament, according to official election results announced Thursday, trouncing the governing Fatah party in a contest that could dramatically reshape the Palestinians' relations with Israel and the rest of the world.
In Wednesday's voting, Hamas claimed 76 of the 132 parliamentary seats, giving the party at war with Israel the right to form the next cabinet under the Palestinian Authority's president, Mahmoud Abbas, the leader of Fatah.
By Scott Wilson
Washington Post Foreign Service
Friday, January 27, 2006
RAMALLAH, West Bank, Jan. 26 -- The radical Islamic movement Hamas won a large majority in the new Palestinian parliament, according to official election results announced Thursday, trouncing the governing Fatah party in a contest that could dramatically reshape the Palestinians' relations with Israel and the rest of the world.
In Wednesday's voting, Hamas claimed 76 of the 132 parliamentary seats, giving the party at war with Israel the right to form the next cabinet under the Palestinian Authority's president, Mahmoud Abbas, the leader of Fatah.
You refer to gay-hating, sick regimes as not getting a pass. Well, google conservative Judaism and homosexuality and you'll come across more than a few virulent, homophobic opinions and actions within your own religion/country. For one thing it wasn't until 2012 that a conservative seminary allowed gay students.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/20/gay-rabbis-approved-in-israel_n_1439936.html
JERUSALEM The Conservative Jewish seminary in Israel says it will allow gays and lesbians to become rabbis, overcoming years of opposition by many of its own leaders and setting up a new point of contention between the movement and Israel's Orthodox establishment. The Schechter Rabbinical Seminary, affiliated with Israel's Conservative Jewish movement, announced it would begin accepting gay and lesbian rabbinical students in Jerusalem this fall.
Israeli law gives exclusive jurisdiction over the ordination of clergy, marriage and divorce to Orthodox rabbis, who generally consider homosexuality an abomination. The Orthodox rabbinate here has strenuously resisted inroads by the liberal streams, refusing to recognize their rulings, conversions or ceremonies as religiously valid.
The decision to ordain gay and lesbian clergy drew fire from the ultra-Orthodox community. "In my opinion, it's a grave mistake," said Shaar Yeshuv Cohen, the chief rabbi of the northern city of Haifa. "It's a violation of the Bible."
There was no formal comment from the chief rabbinate, but an official there, speaking on condition of anonymity, noted that only the Orthodox chief rabbinate can ordain rabbis in Israel. Others "can perform ceremonies until the end of time, but they aren't valid," he said. He spoke on condition of anonymity because he wasn't authorized to issue an official comment.
And from a comment to the above link: Once again, the chosen people turn their back on Jehovah's laws.
" ' And you must not lie down with a male the same as you lie down with a woman. It is a detestable thing. (Lev. 18:22)
And here in the states, at a Los Angeles synagogue:
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/06/us/rabbi-takes-a-stand-for-gay-marriage-and-a-segment-of-the-congregation-rebels.html?pagewanted=all
Gay Marriage Stirs Rebellion at Synagogue
To officiate a union that is expressly not for the same godly purpose of procreation and to call such a relationship sanctified is unacceptable to a sound mind, M. Michael Naim, an architect, said in an open letter to other Iranian members of the congregation. Homosexuality is explicitly condemned in Scripture and has been categorically and passionately rejected by all classical Jewish legal and ethical thinkers as a cardinal vice in the same category as incest, murder and idolatry.
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And, for the record, I am in no manner a homophobe, witness my other posts in this thread. I disagree with conservative Judaism's long-standing and only very recently challenged portrayal of homosexuality in hostile and condemnatory terms. You used the term "virulent", and I quoted the above comments to show you that Jews also make "virulent" attacks on gays.
I suggest that you have a lot of work to do in your own country/religion to win full acceptance of gays. And I remind you, let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
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Irish senator blasts Israel as ‘right-wing regime’ committing ‘criminal’ acts in epic rant [View all]
Galraedia
Aug 2014
OP
Meanwhile Israel allows freedoms that you are stoned for or beheading for in Palestine.
abovesobelow
Aug 2014
#2
and lets not pretend israel's issues with palestinians have anything to do with gay rights
JI7
Aug 2014
#42
Why do you have to jump to "jew-haters"? Criticism of the Israeli government is just not the same
gtar100
Aug 2014
#29
Pssst.. If you're trying to shut down discussion by accusing everyone that criticizes Israel
notadmblnd
Aug 2014
#31
it's not a joke, california having gay rights doesn't excuse the bigoted thugs attacking immigrant
JI7
Aug 2014
#43
the US should not be criticized on the war in Iraq because gays and women have it better in the US
JI7
Aug 2014
#39
if you care about gay rights than fight for those rights but don't use it as an excuse to oppress
JI7
Aug 2014
#40
i don't believe being gay is illegal among palestinians , most of the problem is more within society
JI7
Aug 2014
#44
Why do they have to mention that he's "openly gay"? What does that have to do with the story?
7962
Aug 2014
#3
Those are professional accomplishments. Might as well point out he has green eyes too.
7962
Aug 2014
#81
What would either a black person or gay person know about violent oppression?
DRoseDARs
Aug 2014
#14
Baloney. Hamas only came into being because of the occupation and mistreatment of Palestinians.
BillZBubb
Aug 2014
#53
Any links to prove your claim of Hamas "abuse toward gays and women"?Any?Please?
Divernan
Aug 2014
#9
So you rely on an Israeli's claim in which Wikipedia simply quotes the Israeli -
Divernan
Aug 2014
#17
Your 2005 link has NO picture of Zahar & speculates re "punishment", not killing.
Divernan
Aug 2014
#65
Please stop pretending that Israel is some sort of beacon of tolerance and liberalism.
Spider Jerusalem
Aug 2014
#70
Wow! He pulls no punches. May he hasten the day when each country (e.g., the US)
Stevepol
Aug 2014
#20
Don't forget the profit motive. US/MIC profiteering. Israel/taking over PA's oil fields.
Divernan
Aug 2014
#22
I'd love to know what he considers that halcyon period of Israeli when he owned a home there.
oberliner
Aug 2014
#30