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bemildred

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28. Just because there is a problem doesn't mean we are the solution.

Tue Aug 12, 2014, 12:17 PM

Aug 2014

We have a much more extensive record of making messes than of cleaning them up, and the notion that our military is good for making peace or nation-building does not correspond with the facts, What the military can generally be seen to do is to create a mess or to make the existing mess bigger, and then to leave it to fester. As we can see in Iraq, and so many other places in the Middle East.

We have been meddling in the Middle East for over a century now, and the one thing that has never happened is creation of a stable political order.

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Pentagon warns airstrikes are not enough to roll back ISIL [View all] candelista Aug 2014 OP

Of course. That's the way it works. And then ballyhoo Aug 2014 #1

Thousands if not millions more could just as well be killed if we do nothing which has happened in cstanleytech Aug 2014 #3

We will have to agree to disagree. I understand your position. ballyhoo Aug 2014 #6

You really want us to go to war in Iraq again? another_liberal Aug 2014 #13

Its not what I want its what we need to do if we truly want to fix cstanleytech Aug 2014 #16

We are not going to fix anything by killing a few thousand more Iraqis . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #21

Just because there is a problem doesn't mean we are the solution. bemildred Aug 2014 #28

We screwed Iraq. And it is delusional and egotistical to think we can fix it. If we really wanted zonkers Aug 2014 #40

Warlords is what I expect, trading oil for weapons from their various little autarchies. bemildred Aug 2014 #43

That is exactly what is going to happen. They will revert back to tribalism. Just different tribes. zonkers Aug 2014 #47

More like 918 years of meddling, but who is counting? FrodosPet Aug 2014 #46

I admit, I was starting to advocate for military action FrodosPet Aug 2014 #42

We will not stop the Islamic State advance by killing a few hundred of them . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #48

You're being a little hard on the old crusaders, aren't you? candelista Aug 2014 #51

Rwanda all over again if we do nothing? NickB79 Aug 2014 #53

Goodwin's Law! swilton Aug 2014 #15

Its called history or to add to your quote cstanleytech Aug 2014 #17

You mean those who can't remember how bad we screwed up Iraq . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #22

If you are claiming i cannot remember how badly we screwed it up you should review #16 again. cstanleytech Aug 2014 #23

I really really understand what you're saying BobbyBoring Aug 2014 #24

I agree we cannot do it ourselves but we could provide some aid such as air support cstanleytech Aug 2014 #31

But Saddam was obviously not immortal FrodosPet Aug 2014 #45

Our military adventures are the cause of this problem . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #32

Problem is though no action is also action such as when we turned a largely blind eye when cstanleytech Aug 2014 #33

Invoking internet memes as a rhetorical device is creative, yet fundamentally lacking in validity. LanternWaste Aug 2014 #25

Mr. Hope and Change Joe Turner Aug 2014 #2

Exactly where in there was President Obama quoted saying Lochloosa Aug 2014 #4

Iraq arabic for vietnam jonjensen Aug 2014 #5

so where are the islamic nations' proposals to put a halt to ISIS behavior? hmmm nt msongs Aug 2014 #7

They don't want to get in the way tom_kelly Aug 2014 #9

Powerful people in this country want that Kurdish oil . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #14

I shall not comment cosmicone Aug 2014 #19

Uh...didn't you just "comment"? candelista Aug 2014 #29

It is what DU has come to cosmicone Aug 2014 #34

I get it. n/t candelista Aug 2014 #35

My take on these comments is that Iraqis shouldn't depend on US to defeat ISIL. They should come spyker29 Aug 2014 #8

Anyone feel the squeeze of inflation lately? Trillo Aug 2014 #10

Effectiveness of air strikes is geometrically proportional cosmicone Aug 2014 #11

Not really useful for a convoy of rebels who hide in urban areas. joshcryer Aug 2014 #18

ISIL is an army now...not just rebels of terrorists atreides1 Aug 2014 #27

Yep...using our TaxPayer Paid Military Hardware to fight in Iraq KoKo Aug 2014 #39

... and don't forget your wallets, suckers! PSPS Aug 2014 #12

We are the hired contractors cosmicone Aug 2014 #20

Am I the only one who wonders why IS is so "shockingly effective"? arcane1 Aug 2014 #26

We trained them for the most part....sadly.. KoKo Aug 2014 #37

True, but didn't we also train Iraqi security/police/military? arcane1 Aug 2014 #38

Seems our training only works for the truly dedicated? KoKo Aug 2014 #41

Bring in the A-10 Warthogs. They are designed for low level fighting. nt ladjf Aug 2014 #30

"Air Force Mourns Likely Passing of A-10 Warthog" candelista Aug 2014 #36

They said we were leaving behind alot of equipment in Afghanistan KoKo Aug 2014 #44

I know. They've been trying to ditch them for years. ladjf Aug 2014 #54

Lets see if Maliki moves out and the people accept Iraq�s presidents 'newinclusive gov appointment. Sunlei Aug 2014 #49

No shit. Orsino Aug 2014 #50

ISIS is waging a very effective ground war. So they are correct. PBO's calling for political action. freshwest Aug 2014 #52