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In reply to the discussion: Pentagon warns airstrikes are not enough to roll back ISIL [View all]freshwest
(53,661 posts)52. ISIS is waging a very effective ground war. So they are correct. PBO's calling for political action.
He'd said consistently if the Iraqi government was more inclusive, had not excluded Sunnis, the uprising would not have support from those who were discriminated against there.
While his latest rebuttal of the American RW does not mention ISIS, he explains the roots of the conflict and how to resolve this without doing what Bush did:
Obama and the State Department have taken into account that there are ultrawealthy citizens of other nations in the region funding ISIS, to redraw the map of the Middle East, although the governments of the surrounding nations do not want this.
But they have no power over their traditional banking system to stop the flow of the money. Their banking system is not the same as ours and money can not be traced to find who is financing ISIS.
So the SoS is working trying to stem the flow of financial aid but this doesn't mean a ground war is on the way. It's just not Obama's way, he wants those nations to take care of their own problems and apply pressure without troops.
I don't see any boots on the ground in the future, and don't want to see that again. We have the technology to assist the Kurds and Iraqis resist ISIS and stem the growth of their Caliphate. Even the Russians are arming those who oppose ISIS and I'll bet there have been talks behind the scenes on that, and the USA and Russia will never go to war with each other, despitethe media sensationalism.
The huge division when it gets down to threats like ISIS is just hype and it's MSM's job to boost fear and hate for their owners' arms sales. All the major media are owned by corporations with their hands in that lucrative pie. MSM is a corporate sales job wrapped up with other things to pass on the message subconsciously that we have to be at war all the time.
JMHO.
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Thousands if not millions more could just as well be killed if we do nothing which has happened in
cstanleytech
Aug 2014
#3
We are not going to fix anything by killing a few thousand more Iraqis . . .
another_liberal
Aug 2014
#21
We screwed Iraq. And it is delusional and egotistical to think we can fix it. If we really wanted
zonkers
Aug 2014
#40
Warlords is what I expect, trading oil for weapons from their various little autarchies.
bemildred
Aug 2014
#43
That is exactly what is going to happen. They will revert back to tribalism. Just different tribes.
zonkers
Aug 2014
#47
We will not stop the Islamic State advance by killing a few hundred of them . . .
another_liberal
Aug 2014
#48
If you are claiming i cannot remember how badly we screwed it up you should review #16 again.
cstanleytech
Aug 2014
#23
I agree we cannot do it ourselves but we could provide some aid such as air support
cstanleytech
Aug 2014
#31
Problem is though no action is also action such as when we turned a largely blind eye when
cstanleytech
Aug 2014
#33
Invoking internet memes as a rhetorical device is creative, yet fundamentally lacking in validity.
LanternWaste
Aug 2014
#25
so where are the islamic nations' proposals to put a halt to ISIS behavior? hmmm nt
msongs
Aug 2014
#7
My take on these comments is that Iraqis shouldn't depend on US to defeat ISIL. They should come
spyker29
Aug 2014
#8