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Igel

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12. Part of the problem is local.
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 07:46 PM
Aug 2014

"Green corridors" are set up, but not permitted by one side.

The requirements for nearly any negotiation have been pretty much one sided. Even things like prisoner swaps "must" be on conditions that are really favorable to the rebels. Remember the ceasefire--the first precondition was the complete removal of all Ukrainian troops and "groups" from the entirety of the Donets'k and Luhans'k repubics. Which meant the entirety of the oblasts or "states". The problem was, at no point did the DPR or LPR control more than about half of each oblast. So for a ceasefire, first you have to allow them to double their sizes? And this they called "without preconditions."

The Russian portrayal of the Ukrainian unilateral ceasefire was also lopsided. So the "ceasefire" was conditioned on no attacks: If attacked, the Ukrainians reserved the right to respond. That might mean shooting the attacker, it might mean destroying the artillery position and capturing it. The rebel press would be of claims of attacks against the Ukrainians, but of even more "ceasefire violations" when the Ukr forces responded. The Russian press would report mostly on just the "violations". What, exactly, they were a violation of was a mystery to many that read Poroshenko's statements, but crystal clear to Lavrov's portrayal. Lavrov, as in many other ways, says what he wants others to have said.

All of this parallels Ukrainian reports on attempts to open "humanitarian" corridors or work on restoring some infrastructure's been reported in the Ukrainian media. If it hadn't been the case that you could read the Ukrainian statements and then compare it with the rebel's responses *as reported by the rebels' own media sources", they might not be believable.

As for "real aid," I guess if there's a need for aid in someplace like Ecuador and the US can provide it we can only conclude that in the near future the US will be in charge in Ecuador?

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.... DeSwiss Aug 2014 #1
As a "liberal internationalist" I see the value in helping the suffering regardless of national pampango Aug 2014 #3
Looks like More hype and propaganda - Russia would not need to send TT_Progress Aug 2014 #2
No one has ever done that kind of thing before... DonViejo Aug 2014 #4
You do realize that's a myth, don't you? DeSwiss Aug 2014 #6
Fine, you want to dismiss the myth, that's fine... DonViejo Aug 2014 #7
No, but you are definitely beyond me. n/t DeSwiss Aug 2014 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author dipsydoodle Aug 2014 #11
Beat me to it. 280 trucks, no inspection of contents, painted white instead of camo? freshwest Aug 2014 #9
Considering that the Trojan Horse is likely a myth TT_Progress Aug 2014 #19
International (not the American Red Cross). TT_Progress Aug 2014 #5
Humanitarian aid was also a cover for Moscow's incursions into Crimea and Georgia LanternWaste Aug 2014 #18
If I were a Ukrainian Elitist playing at fascism Demeter Aug 2014 #10
Part of the problem is local. Igel Aug 2014 #12
Trust me, the US govt/ is NOT going to provide aid to Ecuador Demeter Aug 2014 #13
The west was sending humanitarian aid to Syrian rebels not long ago daleo Aug 2014 #14
280-truck Russian aid convoy set to reach Ukraine border within hours dipsydoodle Aug 2014 #15
Associated Press: Ukraine-bound Russian convoy stuck amid bickering dipsydoodle Aug 2014 #16
Russian convoy stops close to Ukraine border pampango Aug 2014 #17
If it's humanitarian aid, why not submit to an inspection, or turn supplies over to the Red Cross? Adrahil Aug 2014 #20
Better Press at Home to have Ukraine overreact One_Life_To_Give Aug 2014 #22
Two reporters have just witnessed a definitely not aid-related convoy entering Ukraine Bosonic Aug 2014 #21
Wikileaks comments: reorg Aug 2014 #23
Since it's not RT it's not true huh? Bosonic Aug 2014 #24
How would I know? reorg Aug 2014 #25
They took pictures and posted news articles. joshcryer Aug 2014 #26
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