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karynnj

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74. Except, her positions may impact the world's response to his negotiations
Wed Aug 13, 2014, 11:57 AM
Aug 2014

For example, in Iran, where it has always been said that "hardliners" on BOTH sides will try to derail an agreement, do you think it helps Obama negotiate, when the DEMOCRAT most likely to be President in 2017 could opt to re impose any sanctions removed? Not to mention, Obama/Kerry worked very hard to keep the Senate from voting in new sanctions that would - in and of themselves - ended the negotiations. How much harder will it be to continue doing that, if the perceived future leader of the party, Clinton, is seen as disagreeing?

Not to mention, consider that Obama's own leverage will decline as he becomes more and more of a lame duck and as his own approval numbers fall. It is normal for numbers to fall after the President wins reelection as there is no longer a vested interest among his/her party to respond "yes" when they have some disagreements. (There IS a reason to do so prior to reelection)

Obama has been hit with many things not of his own making since 2012 - notably the entire Snowden thing. Whether you agree with him or not, I assume you would agree that his revelations have hurt Obama internationally and at home.

It is about 3 months until the 2014 elections. It would have been better had ALL prominent Democrats worked together through that time. It was not necessary for HRC to differentiate her foreign policy view now. She could have waited three months! (Shades of Bill Clinton putting out his autobiography in June 2004 - because it really helped to have the main discussion of the summer being Clinton's answer "because I could" to why Monica as the main news story other than the death and canonization of Reagan.) Does it help Democrats that they will likely be asked if they agree with Obama or Clinton -- where either answer carries a cost?

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Get your point out, and then take the heat and say "I didn't mean it". TwilightGardener Aug 2014 #1
More Games billhicks76 Aug 2014 #23
Oh, really? candelista Aug 2014 #2
Good-bye Hilary coldbeer Aug 2014 #35
Don't speak too soon! candelista Aug 2014 #44
Sorry, but the very thought makes me retch... peacebird Aug 2014 #52
hear, hear... Stellar Aug 2014 #70
Well, when you say it like that, it doesn't sound so bad! Ash_F Aug 2014 #81
Too little, too late… regnaD kciN Aug 2014 #3
Why? Can't she criticize Obama if she wants to. Or do you expect her to be an totodeinhere Aug 2014 #15
She ridicules him to international coverage; then tries to walk it back. Divernan Aug 2014 #20
Oh come on. She did not ridicule him. She had some constructive criticism of some totodeinhere Aug 2014 #24
How many here at DU are serious candidates for the 2016 Presidential Race? hedgehog Aug 2014 #38
any DUer that made the same comments Clinton made would be called out as a ratfucker frylock Aug 2014 #40
It's ironic that the prohibitive frontrunner for the Democratic nomination would totodeinhere Aug 2014 #43
In fairness she informed President Obama that she was going to do the interview criticizing some of still_one Aug 2014 #53
Yes, and there are those who like nothing better than sowing divisions within the Democratic totodeinhere Aug 2014 #59
There's no such thing as bad press, really--spell the names right and let it rip. MADem Aug 2014 #76
Her people polling and monitoring the blogs must have sensed too much blowback. hollowdweller Aug 2014 #4
Yeppers. candelista Aug 2014 #5
Well, then, maybe she should have given her remarks more thought. closeupready Aug 2014 #6
***cough*** say what? azurnoir Aug 2014 #7
Well isn't that nice! elleng Aug 2014 #8
She knew what she was doing. TwilightGardener Aug 2014 #27
which makes it more painful elleng Aug 2014 #28
Yeah, they're the Cha Aug 2014 #47
If this isn't a wake up call for HRC flamingdem Aug 2014 #9
I guess the trial balloon she sent up over the weekend didn't have a lot of air in it tularetom Aug 2014 #10
Yeah Right, in other words just testing the waters to see how far I can go. trublu992 Aug 2014 #11
Mission Accomplished...... global1 Aug 2014 #12
Did he take the call? Boomerproud Aug 2014 #16
Did she call at 3AM? Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2014 #13
Yeah right. I'm sure these were all honest mistakes LittleBlue Aug 2014 #14
David Axelrod defends his old boss... flpoljunkie Aug 2014 #17
How does the punchline to that old joke go? Kelvin Mace Aug 2014 #18
So she takes a dump on Obama's foreign policy... AngryAmish Aug 2014 #19
Cheap. H2O Man Aug 2014 #21
of course, Hillary didn't really dismiss Obama's 'stupid stuff' quote. wyldwolf Aug 2014 #22
MSM is paid for sowing division. Fortunately, PBO and HRC live on a realm of experience that allows freshwest Aug 2014 #55
Then again - consider that many here simply do not agree with the Clinton expressed differences karynnj Aug 2014 #73
those are honest disagreements wyldwolf Aug 2014 #75
Who's disagreements are honest? karynnj Aug 2014 #77
yours. The ones you listed. wyldwolf Aug 2014 #79
Thanks both for that assessment and answering. karynnj Aug 2014 #80
I'm sure Obama responded graciously. Dems to Win Aug 2014 #25
Actually he said "horseshit".. not to Hillary when she called but to those Cha Aug 2014 #64
She's just showing her Clintoness albino65 Aug 2014 #26
I don't think President Obama much cares ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #29
Excellent Point, 1Strong.. but, before her remarks were made public he Cha Aug 2014 #48
Except, her positions may impact the world's response to his negotiations karynnj Aug 2014 #74
Your first two and final points are well taken ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #78
Hey Hill - Stop Doing Stupid Stuff otohara Aug 2014 #30
Really, otohara.. Stupid stuff like.. Cha Aug 2014 #49
who F'ing cares what she says, Phlem Aug 2014 #31
She should take her mouth on vacation until next February BeyondGeography Aug 2014 #32
I hope she takes that mouth on vacay longer than that bigwillq Aug 2014 #33
Then what would she call it, I wonder? Arkana Aug 2014 #34
She basically just needs to shut the fuck up because clearly she can't talk Liberal_Stalwart71 Aug 2014 #36
She certainly picked the wrong humbled_opinion Aug 2014 #37
I think its just stupid media drama, again. She was due to meet at Martha’s Vineyard on Wednesday, Sunlei Aug 2014 #39
How can if be a 'failure' if HRC admits she doesn't know if arming Syrian rebels would've worked? flpoljunkie Aug 2014 #41
I don't believe her. blkmusclmachine Aug 2014 #42
Shades of HRC's Bosnia Sniper Fiasco Divernan Aug 2014 #45
Didn't President Obama say the other day that it was "horseshit" about those Cha Aug 2014 #46
It is called pile on and let those who researches the truth before they pile on with out facts. Thinkingabout Aug 2014 #56
... Phlem Aug 2014 #57
I am done with her riverwalker Aug 2014 #50
"Clinton/Netanyahu presidency"? alp227 Aug 2014 #58
disagree, Israel is largest recipient of military weapons and cash with undeniable influence whereisjustice Aug 2014 #60
I didn't say anything about misogyny. alp227 Aug 2014 #61
What a backstabbing schmuck..... Lost.Any.Respect.for.HRC peacebird Aug 2014 #51
Just trying to establish her war hawk street cred. neverforget Aug 2014 #54
Hillary is not obligated to agree with every aspect of Obama's foreign policy. Beacool Aug 2014 #62
Of course she doesn't and just as people can disagree with Obama's policy --hers can be attacked too karynnj Aug 2014 #72
I don't care if she disagrees with Obama. I do care that she's a war hawk. fbc Aug 2014 #63
Agreed! Stellar Aug 2014 #71
Yup. That's it in a nutshell peacebird Aug 2014 #82
When Obama was first up for election there were only 10% of the right wingers there are on DU now. truthisfreedom Aug 2014 #65
Clinton: ''I did not have sex Ichingcarpenter Aug 2014 #66
Just kidding! nt kelliekat44 Aug 2014 #67
Horseshit INdemo Aug 2014 #68
Right out of the Faux pas Aug 2014 #69
Hillary Clinton is entitled to her opinion though I side with Pres c588415 Aug 2014 #83
If Hillary wasn't trying to "attack President Obama".. I hate to see what she'd be saying if Cha Aug 2014 #84
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