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George II

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87. It's not simply a case of shoplifting.....people should really wait to get the whole story..

Fri Aug 15, 2014, 11:39 AM

Aug 2014

...did you see the surveillance photographs? Looks like assault, too. And we don't know anything beyond that.

It's not "big and black", it's assault and robbery and possibly more that we don't know about yet.

The more I see, the less I think that it's as one-sided as it appeared a few days ago.

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Michael Brown suspect in robbery before he was shot to death, police say [View all] Bacchus4.0 Aug 2014 OP

And i say you cannot shoot shoplifters. bravenak Aug 2014 #1

Exactly! FarPoint Aug 2014 #2

It was cigars, not cows for God'sake! DearAbby Aug 2014 #129

The cop murders this boy and then murders his reputation JimDandy Aug 2014 #145

And unarmed in the middle of the street at high noon with a friend smoking a stolen cigar. Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #9

Who tha fuck said he had ANY Cigars in his mouth? Did you see video of him smoking? bravenak Aug 2014 #38

You missed the sarcasm, sorry, it is always a risk...I meant to imply doing even abnormal things, Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #43

I tend to be easy to agitate. bravenak Aug 2014 #46

This is such utter bullshit JustAnotherGen Aug 2014 #10

But you gotta understand.... bravenak Aug 2014 #28

I just looked at the image again JustAnotherGen Aug 2014 #37

My husband too. bravenak Aug 2014 #40

Khaki shorts, grey t-shirt. bravenak Aug 2014 #45

Um JustAnotherGen Aug 2014 #48

I just want to jump off the roof when shit like this goes down. bravenak Aug 2014 #53

Can you find some of the links JustAnotherGen Aug 2014 #56

I'll look. bravenak Aug 2014 #63

It was the ballcap that was red. bravenak Aug 2014 #151

Thanks JustAnotherGen Aug 2014 #165

I was too. bravenak Aug 2014 #167

70 ?maybe even if he didn't get off the street and maybe mouthed off at a cop lunasun Aug 2014 #191

I'm sorry - that just makes me feel ill. calimary Aug 2014 #69

Disgusting. bravenak Aug 2014 #92

and like Trayvon Martin, they can assassinate his character and he can't defend his own name CreekDog Aug 2014 #207

Earlier the police said Brown had no record alp227 Aug 2014 #71

That's what I thought JustAnotherGen Aug 2014 #73

And its an interesting choice of words PatSeg Aug 2014 #11

good point... dhill926 Aug 2014 #17

"Strong arm robbery." The police chief kept saying it over & over in the presser, CrispyQ Aug 2014 #64

Did you see the surveillance photographs? George II Aug 2014 #88

They didn't show photos or video footage at the time of the presser. -nt CrispyQ Aug 2014 #136

The stills have been all over CNN and MSNBC all morning, the videos were just released George II Aug 2014 #153

When everyone knows PatSeg Aug 2014 #93

They tried the same thing with Trevon Martin. RoverSuswade Aug 2014 #99

Try to criminalize the victim PatSeg Aug 2014 #143

'Strong-arm robbery' is a term used where the offender used any degree of force, it's a felony Baclava Aug 2014 #156

Images of the body in the street very much match those of the man here. Roland99 Aug 2014 #163

exactly BobbyBoring Aug 2014 #193

link to images? thanks wordpix Aug 2014 #216

The post to which I replied Roland99 Aug 2014 #243

"Robbery" means a physical or verbal confrontation most places Recursion Aug 2014 #150

I worked in retail for years in Illinois PatSeg Aug 2014 #176

Strong arm robbery warrant46 Aug 2014 #244

Cops shooting people over material possessions is always wrong. L0oniX Aug 2014 #12

Exactly. This reminds me how some cops don't give a shit who they might kill valerief Aug 2014 #20

No you cannot shoot them however you can stop and question suspects cstanleytech Aug 2014 #55

Per the witness statement ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #70

See #75 cstanleytech Aug 2014 #80

It's not simply a case of shoplifting.....people should really wait to get the whole story.. George II Aug 2014 #87

Bullshit!! bravenak Aug 2014 #96

Oh...I see now....it was the convenience store's clerk who was at fault! George II Aug 2014 #119

What was? bravenak Aug 2014 #121

Actually you can hold shoplifters hostage Reter Aug 2014 #130

Do that at your own risk. bravenak Aug 2014 #131

Preventing a robber/shoplifter from leaving isn't a "hostage situation" George II Aug 2014 #157

Yes it is to the holdee. bravenak Aug 2014 #160

Now you know why many shop owners are armed Reter Aug 2014 #212

Why is letting him go not an 'option'? bravenak Aug 2014 #213

So if you see someone open your car door and take a CD or two of equal value, let him go Reter Aug 2014 #228

Um, yea. bravenak Aug 2014 #229

Only a fool would give money to a theif Reter Aug 2014 #232

Jesus would give money to a thief. bravenak Aug 2014 #233

We're not Jesus Reter Aug 2014 #234

We should be. bravenak Aug 2014 #235

I give to the poor all the time, despite being borderline poor myself Reter Aug 2014 #239

That's nice. bravenak Aug 2014 #240

I give stuff away that I don't need Reter Aug 2014 #241

You shouldn't. bravenak Aug 2014 #242

I worked at a gas station too and they did not care what the customers stole and we were told. notadmblnd Aug 2014 #161

Exactly.. bravenak Aug 2014 #162

I think its interesting PatSeg Aug 2014 #104

This, yes, exactly. n/t DeadLetterOffice Aug 2014 #127

I am with Delphinus Aug 2014 #146

And the police chief PatSeg Aug 2014 #230

what's really fishy is why Brown got 2 first shots in the back while running wordpix Aug 2014 #218

I hadn't heard about the tweets PatSeg Aug 2014 #231

???? heaven05 Aug 2014 #113

The real headline should be: savalez Aug 2014 #115

Bingo!! bravenak Aug 2014 #120

Don't Buy The Lie billhicks76 Aug 2014 #204

totally agree and if you want to stop someone big and bad wordpix Aug 2014 #214

I think he shot him, then realized that it was a mistake . bravenak Aug 2014 #215

you've got a plausible theory wordpix Aug 2014 #219

I bet one of us has it right. bravenak Aug 2014 #220

definitely a coverup by PD. The chief was positively incoherent today wordpix Aug 2014 #221

by these witnesses' reports, there was a tussle at the cop car first wordpix Aug 2014 #222

That's what i think too. bravenak Aug 2014 #223

another eyewitness account wordpix Aug 2014 #226

Funny how everyone BUT THE COPS have the same story. bravenak Aug 2014 #227

Unfortunately, we're finding that police can shoot black people for any reasons Kennah Aug 2014 #236

Yes. bravenak Aug 2014 #237

So is the person robbing the store in the video Browm? bigdarryl Aug 2014 #3

I think there is little doubt....now what happened in between? Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #5

I think there is still a LOT of doubt. NutmegYankee Aug 2014 #22

The Ferguson police would have more evidence than just the video to make a positive I.D. Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #29

Uh huh. NutmegYankee Aug 2014 #39

Well, I am not trying to sell it, I am trying to say it like I see it, not like the media sees it. Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #41

And you don't find it highly suspicious that they released this after 6 days? NutmegYankee Aug 2014 #58

Well, let me just say I have had personal experience with the irrational exuberance of youth and Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #76

OBVIOUSLY..... LovingA2andMI Aug 2014 #83

Of course the scenario breaks down at THREE, infinite variables of fact and response after that. Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #85

yes...you call for back up first... FarPoint Aug 2014 #101

Hold on here BobbyBoring Aug 2014 #206

No, a competent police department would have more evidence jeff47 Aug 2014 #89

What I would like to see.... ReRe Aug 2014 #140

Little doubt? ballyhoo Aug 2014 #31

Is there any original reporting of that "robbery" in the press? I haven't seen shit about it. L0oniX Aug 2014 #23

That's a good question... ReRe Aug 2014 #141

I'm calling this ...media bullshit. L0oniX Aug 2014 #4

Creation of a convenient charge subsequent to a more serious one to the cop. ballyhoo Aug 2014 #42

He just shoplifted some stupid cigars! SaltyBro Aug 2014 #6

Until he's been tried in a court of law JustAnotherGen Aug 2014 #50

He didn't shoplift anything. That's not him in the photo. savalez Aug 2014 #82

If it were the same person cojoel Aug 2014 #139

Actually, we didn't all do that. nt Codeine Aug 2014 #149

you stole stuff as a teenager? Recursion Aug 2014 #152

I shoplifted as a teenager cheapdate Aug 2014 #205

Whether Brown punched the officer in the car or not aint_no_life_nowhere Aug 2014 #7

It took them a week to come up with this story??? crazylikafox Aug 2014 #8

Good point PatSeg Aug 2014 #14

The blue code choir had to rehearse the song. L0oniX Aug 2014 #16

I remember it being mentioned but I think the protests overshadowed this part of the story. A Simple Game Aug 2014 #26

My thoughts exactly. dixiegrrrrl Aug 2014 #27

Truly sounds like a story cooked up during late nights with some beer rurallib Aug 2014 #44

Even if it isn't "cooked", there is NO justification for what the police did. still_one Aug 2014 #77

IMO, the entire Ferguson Police Department has been lying their asses off the whole time! Crowman1979 Aug 2014 #13

But it does go to Brown and his companion's state of mind exboyfil Aug 2014 #15

Lots of unanswered questions yet n/t Bacchus4.0 Aug 2014 #18

Really ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #61

What happened to innocent until proven guilty? oldandhappy Aug 2014 #19

Where are the cigars? Where is the video from the store? Summary justice isn't justice. marble falls Aug 2014 #21

I fi d this suspect. Why take this long to release this and they never said cigars were found by his hrmjustin Aug 2014 #24

That's great and all d_b Aug 2014 #25

So this so called police department thinks that if you are a SUSPECT it is fine to shot you not once jwirr Aug 2014 #30

Darren Wilson ...suspected wife beater ...(police say) no ...I say! L0oniX Aug 2014 #32

I would not doubt it since he apparently has anger management issues wordpix Aug 2014 #224

Bull-fucking-shit! Iggo Aug 2014 #33

Once all the Corporate Media parrots this for long enough, it will make it so. harun Aug 2014 #178

We don't have the death penalty for robbery. Nye Bevan Aug 2014 #34

Did CNN even bother to mention this: leftynyc Aug 2014 #35

Shoplifting isn't robbery. Unless MO has some really unusual statutes, shoplifting is theft. Gormy Cuss Aug 2014 #36

Look at the snapshots of the video exboyfil Aug 2014 #59

What video? I didn't see one in the OP. Gormy Cuss Aug 2014 #65

It's posted on drudgereport ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #81

Whether the proximate cause of the apprehension of Brown was strongarm ballyhoo Aug 2014 #74

We Agree! LovingA2andMI Aug 2014 #125

You've eliminated a possibility jberryhill Aug 2014 #154

Yes, because Police Officers frequently ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #47

Yes, that is just ... well this news stinks of a cover up or something. historylovr Aug 2014 #135

Besides ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #137

I didn't see that yet. Thanks. historylovr Aug 2014 #142

Police say? truth2power Aug 2014 #49

Here comes a mountain of bullshit BeyondGeography Aug 2014 #51

oh well that changes everything iamthebandfanman Aug 2014 #52

It doesnt change everything but it does change it a bit in that remember people cstanleytech Aug 2014 #68

If he was a suspect in the "robbery" then why did the officer yell at them to get out of the street? Dustlawyer Aug 2014 #54

Cops tend not to block the middle of streets or atleast in my area when they pull someone over its cstanleytech Aug 2014 #75

Are you intentionally leaving out the part about ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #84

No I am not intentionally leaving anything out so chill a bit. cstanleytech Aug 2014 #103

So you're just unfamiliar with the witness statement? eom. 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #116

No, I am saying we need to wait as the investigation is not finished. nt cstanleytech Aug 2014 #200

we need to wait to talk about it until the investigation is finished? CreekDog Aug 2014 #208

Talking is fine, the rush to judgement one way or the other is what I am talking about. nt cstanleytech Aug 2014 #209

well apparently you want to wait for confirmation that it's not ok to kill an unarmed man CreekDog Aug 2014 #210

Wrong. I just prefer to know exactly happended for sure but clearly you dont. nt cstanleytech Aug 2014 #211

Here, this might help ... or not ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #90

Pretty damning stuff. savalez Aug 2014 #108

Perhaps you can clarify. CRH Aug 2014 #147

Do you own a truck ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #148

And.. bravenak Aug 2014 #155

You know them negroes have magical powers. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #164

No wonder they snatched us up. bravenak Aug 2014 #166

And, don't forget ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #168

Oh, they really think about that tooooo much!!! bravenak Aug 2014 #169

"why did the officer yell at them to get out of the street?" jberryhill Aug 2014 #158

Does the store have video evidence of Brown shoplifting cigars? muntrv Aug 2014 #57

Looks like they have video of a suspect in the store robbing and pushing a store clerk n/t Bacchus4.0 Aug 2014 #72

No - pushing a clerk that started the altercation. jeff47 Aug 2014 #95

Um. bravenak Aug 2014 #97

Yet the video shows the clerk starting the altercation. (nt) jeff47 Aug 2014 #171

Not following procedure is dangerous. bravenak Aug 2014 #174

What's the time stamp on the video for the act of robbery? LanternWaste Aug 2014 #203

All highly scripted by the head murderer. Trillo Aug 2014 #60

White-wing America needs Michael Brown to be a mortal.. Anansi1171 Aug 2014 #62

LET'S SPREAD THE FERGUSON POLICE DEPARTMENT SHAME!!!! LovingA2andMI Aug 2014 #66

I'm guessing Mike Brown was also in possession of yellowcake uranium. bullwinkle428 Aug 2014 #67

Prosecutors previously said Brown had no record alp227 Aug 2014 #78

Well ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #86

I have a feeling that this killing ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #79

I think you're right. historylovr Aug 2014 #138

Jared Lee Loughner Tsiyu Aug 2014 #185

I don't understand the point you are trying to make. ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #188

My bad Tsiyu Aug 2014 #196

Oh, okay. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #199

As far as I can make out he was a suspect for the robery because intaglio Aug 2014 #91

Or because he matched the description of the robbery suspect. Ace Rothstein Aug 2014 #102

And what would that description have been? intaglio Aug 2014 #107

Do you have a better way of identifying suspects in a crime? Ace Rothstein Aug 2014 #110

But officer Stop the Black Man intaglio Aug 2014 #117

Have you heard the radio message? Ace Rothstein Aug 2014 #118

Have you? A verbal transfer of a verbal description intaglio Aug 2014 #123

Simpering excuses? Hardly Ace Rothstein Aug 2014 #173

And your how is that description broadcast? intaglio Aug 2014 #177

I haven't made excuses for anything. Ace Rothstein Aug 2014 #182

But until now you have done nothing but sought excuses intaglio Aug 2014 #186

so the officer stopped the correct person and you are claiming racism? Travis_0004 Aug 2014 #181

Oh, so you are declaring Michael Brown guilty without trial intaglio Aug 2014 #189

I said it wasnt racism when the cop stoppes him Travis_0004 Aug 2014 #190

Unfortunately for you this police force intaglio Aug 2014 #192

Always this BS!!!!!!! heaven05 Aug 2014 #94

A "robbery" of swisher sweets? How about the Jameis Winston "robbery" of king crab legs? Zen Democrat Aug 2014 #97

Apparently, this story has been out on the street for a few days. gvstn Aug 2014 #100

It is also supposedly why "snitches get stitches" was spray painted on the QT. Ace Rothstein Aug 2014 #105

What is QT? gvstn Aug 2014 #109

The QuikTrip Ace Rothstein Aug 2014 #111

Thank you. gvstn Aug 2014 #112

I really don't give a crap if he had been a suspect in a triple homicide, a MADem Aug 2014 #106

Dear Governor Nixon & FergPolice-Bullshit fredamae Aug 2014 #114

Of Course the Cops Would NEVER Lie JCMach1 Aug 2014 #122

This is bait for the media, so all the coverage will be about what did/didn't happen at winter is coming Aug 2014 #124

+1, Bingo harun Aug 2014 #179

Street "justice" executed by vigilante peace officers can not & should not be tolerated. tea and oranges Aug 2014 #126

If you had just committed strong arm robbery... grasswire Aug 2014 #128

�f somebody strong arm robbed us.... bravenak Aug 2014 #134

And this wasn't reported right away because ... historylovr Aug 2014 #132

So what? That's not a good reason to shoot someone dead Liberal_from_va34 Aug 2014 #133

Robbery is not a death sentence case. Marrah_G Aug 2014 #144

Anyone -is this a matchup in the video or not ?read dif shoes ,shirt? Any opinions lunasun Aug 2014 #159

Didn't Ferguson PD claim they couldn't release the name of the... jayfish Aug 2014 #170

I call bullsh_t blkmusclmachine Aug 2014 #172

Well one thing is for sure Iamthetruth Aug 2014 #175

Funny how one side of the story... jayfish Aug 2014 #180

Does it not trouble you that Iamthetruth Aug 2014 #238

The author of the OP seems to be following a trend. U4ikLefty Aug 2014 #183

Since when does petty theft merit the death penalty??? Vinca Aug 2014 #184

Sounds like the Chief has been coached by FOX "News" on what plays well on their channel. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2014 #195

He wasn't shot because he committed a crime. He was shot because he didn't obey an rhett o rick Aug 2014 #187

This information was already posted in LBN this morning well before this thread was posted: Judi Lynn Aug 2014 #194

So what? The poster who reported got his posts hid and now its what everyone is talking about n/t Bacchus4.0 Aug 2014 #198

His thread is clearly still open. Would you point out where he went wrong? Judi Lynn Aug 2014 #201

You mean this one with the headline that CNN used which is exactly how LBN is supposed to reported? Bacchus4.0 Aug 2014 #202

live tweets at time of shooting from neighbor/witness here wordpix Aug 2014 #217

Well if it is true then they KNEW he didn't have a weapon. wildeyed Aug 2014 #197

since the chief admits the officer didn't know that, why does it matter? yurbud Aug 2014 #225