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reorg

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17. Who has to "import" fighters?
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 01:54 PM
Aug 2014

The "insurgents" never claimed such a thing. They said the situation was not hopeless, they had reserves coming in, 1200 fighters who were trained on Russian territory. The report is simply false, based on a "mistranslation" of a speech. The "mistranslation" got around very quickly, as opposed to the correction, apparently.

In his speech, reportedly made on Friday at a “people’s council” and posted on a pro-rebel YouTube channel, Mr Zakharchenko said: “The following reserves have been gathered: 150 armoured vehicles, of which about 30 are tanks and the rest are BMPs and BTRs [infantry fighting vehicles and armoured personnel carriers], 1,200 military personnel, who are there now, who underwent training for four months on the territory of the Russian Federation. They were brought into action at the most crucial moment.”

http://is.gd/yMrpYk

The rebels, he said, had reserves of 150 combat vehicles, including tanks.

An earlier mistranslation of his words suggested
Mr Zakharchenko had said the vehicles were on their way from Russia.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28817347

The propaganda technique employed here is obvious and has been employed in Ukraine not for the first time now: Let's interpret incidents on the ground or what our opponents say in a way that seems to confirm what we want to believe and report this as fact. Others will pick up on these "reported facts", and eventually politicians will express their “grave concern” over such reports and at some point urging political action.

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There should be shitloads of eastern Ukrainian men who want to fight and die for TwilightGardener Aug 2014 #1
Who has to "import" fighters? reorg Aug 2014 #17
Their 1200 fighters were supposedly trained in Russia. That may make their allegiance ballyhoo Aug 2014 #19
Russia to Rebels: Shut the fuck up! We're trying to get you "humanitarian aid" NickB79 Aug 2014 #2
They seem to lose a lot of those jets. nt bemildred Aug 2014 #3
Mostly old Russian Su-25's NickB79 Aug 2014 #4
Thanks for clearing that up. bemildred Aug 2014 #6
Su-25's went into service in 1978 NickB79 Aug 2014 #8
A lot of them seem to have working parachutes. bemildred Aug 2014 #9
I imagine the standard weapons load involves bombs, rockets, and a bottle of Vodka NickB79 Aug 2014 #11
There you go. bemildred Aug 2014 #13
The F-16 and F-15 were put into service in the 70's PersonNumber503602 Aug 2014 #15
Yup. Igel Aug 2014 #7
I have no doubts that Russia is arming and supporting the rebels, bemildred Aug 2014 #12
Once the air cover is gone cosmicone Aug 2014 #5
Air cover hasn't done much strategically so far NickB79 Aug 2014 #10
What side who is on notwithstanding, I would far rather be ballyhoo Aug 2014 #14
"encroaching on Russia's border" NickB79 Aug 2014 #20
Like I said: I'll let the Dutch decide MH17 not a bunch of Tweeters whose ballyhoo Aug 2014 #21
Pro-Russian sepratists lost the PR "battle" weeks ago Blue_Tires Aug 2014 #26
ummmmm........... cosmicone Aug 2014 #16
Ukraine has been asking for military assistance since day one NickB79 Aug 2014 #18
Perhaps Poroshenko would spend some of his own money cosmicone Aug 2014 #22
"Freedom Fighters"... that's a good one. NT Adrahil Aug 2014 #23
Cute term, isn't it? ColesCountyDem Aug 2014 #24
You said freedom fighters? IronGate Aug 2014 #27
This whole thing is a confusing mess. Owl Aug 2014 #25
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