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58. You mean to smear rape victims

Reply to woo me with science (Reply #56)

Tue Aug 19, 2014, 08:25 AM

Aug 2014

Indeed. Rape culture is indeed pervasive and this case is a perfect example, much like Steubenville before a video was uncovered. What do two women's lives mean in comparison to a great man anyway. Why should he have to worry about something as trivial as consent when we are only talking about lowly women.

Here are documents in the case.

Arrest Warrant outlining the complaint. http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/world/20110224-Britain-Ruling-Assange-Extradition-to-Sweden.pdf

Finding of the UK Court of Appeals ordering Assange's extradition to Sweden on charges of sexual assault on two separate victims. http://www.bailii.org/uk/cases/UKSC/2012/22.html

An article recounting one of the victim's statements about how she has been bullied, harassed, and shamed by Assange's supporters. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/i-was-targeted-after-i-made-assange-sex-crime-claim-says-accuser-of-wikileaks-founder-8613006.html

As long as people think men they admire should be above the law, women remain second class citizens.

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WikiLeaks Founder Julian Assange Says to Leave London Embassy 'Soon' [View all] Hissyspit Aug 2014 OP

Hopefully he is off to Sweden. Nt hack89 Aug 2014 #1

So he can be indicted for not using a condom during consensual sex? JDPriestly Aug 2014 #4

Unlawful coercion, two counts of sexual molestation and rape - those are the actual charges hack89 Aug 2014 #8

An obvious set-up. candelista Aug 2014 #9

If it so obvious than I am sure he will be acquitted by a jury hack89 Aug 2014 #11

You have more faith in Swedish courts than I do. candelista Aug 2014 #12

Participation in judicial proceeding is not optional for obvious reasons. hack89 Aug 2014 #14

There are so many things wrong with your post... candelista Aug 2014 #15

Why would the British want to help him out? hack89 Aug 2014 #16

so, the British passed a "lex Assange" reorg Aug 2014 #23

+1. nt candelista Aug 2014 #25

US has already said they're not contemplating charging Assange Recursion Aug 2014 #97

And you believe this? candelista Aug 2014 #145

And the allegation is: failure to use a condom during consensual sex. Puhhlease. JDPriestly Aug 2014 #18

Read this and tell me how consensual it was hack89 Aug 2014 #20

Crimes admitted by his own attorneys. joshcryer Aug 2014 #31

Wow. And several DUers are defending this. Nye Bevan Aug 2014 #40

Dreamy progressive heroes get a pass on sex crimes I guess hack89 Aug 2014 #49

Sure as hell looks that way.. I don't suppose it would help if they took a step back and Cha Aug 2014 #113

Alleged, he hasn't been convicted of anything. harun Aug 2014 #137

When you have so called progressives minimizing rape and coerced sex hack89 Aug 2014 #139

Well, Sarah Palin doesn't think he's 'dreamy' she wanted him charged as a traitor. sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #141

So the words of a RW TV personality is suppose to mean something? hack89 Aug 2014 #143

A condom was a condition of consent. joshcryer Aug 2014 #30

Based on what evidence? JDPriestly Aug 2014 #69

Assange's own testimony. joshcryer Aug 2014 #116

For sexual assault BainsBane Aug 2014 #50

A woman invites a man she hardly knows into her bed. Their relationship is consensual. JDPriestly Aug 2014 #68

Secrecy in govt is an entirely separate issue BainsBane Aug 2014 #125

Your stance on rape is correct but I say again that once consent is given it is very hard to JDPriestly Aug 2014 #130

Proof is a matter for court BainsBane Aug 2014 #131

I don't think women are responsible for their own assault. But women should be careful JDPriestly Aug 2014 #134

You are not telling the truth here re: your bolded section and the phrase before. Luminous Animal Aug 2014 #132

So he can be indicted for rape. Spider Jerusalem Aug 2014 #87

this has been gone over repeatedly reorg Aug 2014 #95

Nope, you don't get it Spider Jerusalem Aug 2014 #99

uh, I read the whole thing reorg Aug 2014 #100

Clearly you haven't Spider Jerusalem Aug 2014 #103

Oh yes, I did. reorg Aug 2014 #106

Apparently you are incredibly stupid. Spider Jerusalem Aug 2014 #120

So you cannot cite a single instance reorg Aug 2014 #123

That's not what he's being prosecuted for. Spider Jerusalem Aug 2014 #135

I said similar circumstances reorg Aug 2014 #136

It was rejected by the same 'High Court' which refused to hand over mass murderer Pinochet sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #151

One case has nothing to do with the other. Spider Jerusalem Aug 2014 #152

Post removed Post removed Aug 2014 #21

Sorry I gave you a sad face. hack89 Aug 2014 #24

There is some speculation he's trying to use "ill health" as an excuse to avoid extradition MADem Aug 2014 #2

See my post #6. JDPriestly Aug 2014 #5

As I type this there are only five replies in this thread. MADem Aug 2014 #6

Sorry. Number 4. JDPriestly Aug 2014 #34

His own court statements admitted he did it. joshcryer Aug 2014 #32

How often is that crime prosecuted in Sweden? In what percentage of cases? JDPriestly Aug 2014 #33

Sweden takes it very seriously. joshcryer Aug 2014 #37

She doesn't have an STD and she isn't pregnant. JDPriestly Aug 2014 #70

I don't think it's corruption. joshcryer Aug 2014 #117

Until you read the legal documents BainsBane Aug 2014 #51

Do you have a link to the women's statements? JDPriestly Aug 2014 #66

I linked to the Telegraph article and the legal documents BainsBane Aug 2014 #108

Oh heck. You can figure it out. But just to be sure we keep moving here.. elias49 Aug 2014 #13

Well, some people keep more than one thread open--I thought he replied in the wrong thread. nt MADem Aug 2014 #26

I support transparent government. Read the book, Endless Enemies by Jonathan Kwiitny JDPriestly Aug 2014 #19

I'll belive that when I see it.... Blue_Tires Aug 2014 #3

Who? alcibiades_mystery Aug 2014 #7

You are the only one who doesn't know. candelista Aug 2014 #10

Being imprisoned is tough. The 1% has many ways and all the money in the world to destroy Zorra Aug 2014 #17

he isn't being imprisoned, he is there by choice JI7 Aug 2014 #27

If he is "imprisoned" there, how come he is able to announce his decision to leave? (nt) Nye Bevan Aug 2014 #42

Please, don't be deliberately obtuse. nt Zorra Aug 2014 #153

I thought JA had long been in that 1% income bracket? Blue_Tires Aug 2014 #74

So does Lex Luthor. randome Aug 2014 #75

A few one per centers helped him out by posting bail for him treestar Aug 2014 #78

Many prisons out there the 1% keep people in, Cuba, Gaza, Embassy's and of course Regular Prisons harun Aug 2014 #138

I hope he makes it. I wonder why they announced it. pam4water Aug 2014 #22

Better to jump than be pushed? nt MADem Aug 2014 #28

Perhaps the person who was raped might have a different view. Thinkingabout Aug 2014 #29

Yes, if there is such a person. candelista Aug 2014 #35

Who was raped? There were never any such charges, no charges at all as a matter of fact. sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #38

So this is just fine and dandy as far as you are concerned? Nye Bevan Aug 2014 #43

Are you aware that the woman was LYING. That she provided the police with what SHE said sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #44

You again ingore the arrest warrant provided to you BainsBane Aug 2014 #110

Are you aware that the woman was LYING. That she provided the police with what SHE said sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #44

No DNA in the condom that Assange refused to use? Nye Bevan Aug 2014 #46

I had a feeling you knew nothing about this case, thanks for verifying that. The question is, since sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #47

So if his innocence is such a slam-dunk Nye Bevan Aug 2014 #48

Obviously he is evading prosecution BainsBane Aug 2014 #54

No one who is being politically prosecuted can ever assume their innocence is a 'slam dunk'. sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #65

How are you going to spin this when Assange goes to Sweden and nothing happens to him? randome Aug 2014 #71

The same way the people of Steubenville spin their support BainsBane Aug 2014 #112

If that's true, then why not go to Sweden and win and be free forever? treestar Aug 2014 #80

there most certainly were: Here is the warrant BainsBane Aug 2014 #52

Additionally, one of the victims BainsBane Aug 2014 #53

the "girl"? reorg Aug 2014 #81

Even for me? BainsBane Aug 2014 #104

Even for you reorg Aug 2014 #119

"cute and helpless" in expecting an accused assailant face justice? BainsBane Aug 2014 #127

Of course you are correct. Your post was alerted, btw. woo me with science Aug 2014 #57

Thanks. The alerter states this: sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #64

There is an arrest warrant which you ignore BainsBane Aug 2014 #107

Glad you brought that up. There was NEVER ANY NEED for an arrest warrant in this case sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #140

I was reading this site for years before I joined. nilesobek Aug 2014 #111

I follow the evidence in any case. I am not going to fall for the 'use women' routine. The evidence sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #133

The Ecuadorean embassy staff must be pretty sick of him by now Zorro Aug 2014 #36

Or not. Hissyspit Aug 2014 #39

Absolutely. Who would want an unshaven, unwashed Julian Assange shambling about their workplace Nye Bevan Aug 2014 #41

especially the women BainsBane Aug 2014 #55

K&R. And the smear machine rolls on, I see. woo me with science Aug 2014 #56

You mean to smear rape victims BainsBane Aug 2014 #58

The MO of propaganda: repetition of disproven smear over and over again woo me with science Aug 2014 #59

You don't even have a basic understanding of the term 'whistleblower'. randome Aug 2014 #60

Post removed Post removed Aug 2014 #105

So you didn't read the documents BainsBane Aug 2014 #61

Hey, so long as they are on your side, all allegations must be smears, right? Adrahil Aug 2014 #62

"Silence": please explain how Assange's appearing in Swedish court BainsBane Aug 2014 #115

"Serious breach of Julian Assage�s human rights" reorg Aug 2014 #63

59 organizations that refuse to understand how the Swedish legal system works. nt hack89 Aug 2014 #67

Two Swedish organizations, as well as jurist organizations from around the world reorg Aug 2014 #76

All he has to do is go to Sweden hack89 Aug 2014 #77

all you have to do is reorg Aug 2014 #82

I think the Swedes understand their own system just fine hack89 Aug 2014 #84

Why do the UK and Sweden disobey international law? reorg Aug 2014 #85

What obligation under the UN refugee convention hack89 Aug 2014 #86

Why do you ask me? reorg Aug 2014 #89

Assange was not offered political asylum hack89 Aug 2014 #90

No, Ecuador has granted him political asylum reorg Aug 2014 #92

Your own fucking quote says "diplomatic". nt hack89 Aug 2014 #94

You didn't click on the links, apparently reorg Aug 2014 #96

He's such a special snowflake. Being subject to the law, like the rest of us are, in treestar Aug 2014 #79

What does the law say? reorg Aug 2014 #83

Learn the difference between political and diplomatic hack89 Aug 2014 #88

Do you really want to repeat reorg Aug 2014 #91

The UK does not have to respect diplomatic asylum hack89 Aug 2014 #93

no, they are not OAS State Party reorg Aug 2014 #98

Once again, diplomatic asylum is not part of the convention hack89 Aug 2014 #101

yawn, but political asylum is reorg Aug 2014 #102

Here are some good articles on diplomatic immunity hack89 Aug 2014 #109

not interested, not the topic reorg Aug 2014 #114

My links show that you are wrong hack89 Aug 2014 #118

no they don't and no, it isn't politically motivated reorg Aug 2014 #121

Location is the only thing that distinguishes political from diplomatic asylum hack89 Aug 2014 #122

where such a thing exists reorg Aug 2014 #124

It exists - it is not recognized hack89 Aug 2014 #126

I am aware of two such cases: in communist dictatorships reorg Aug 2014 #128

I gave you four other examples in non-communist countries. Nt hack89 Aug 2014 #129

The State Department losing some sway are they? Ash_F Aug 2014 #72

I doubt the State Department has anything to do with it. nt hack89 Aug 2014 #73

Indeed, they are having less and less to do with anything. Ash_F Aug 2014 #142

Kerry is no Hillary when it comes to being SOS, that is true. nt hack89 Aug 2014 #144

Gotten enough attention yet? candelista Aug 2014 #146

Says the person posting an edgy "look at me, I'm a cool kid" comment? hack89 Aug 2014 #147

Ah! Tu Quoque! candelista Aug 2014 #148

It doesn't reach the level of dogs with two dicks, I must admit hack89 Aug 2014 #149

Some express their happiness more vibrantly than others. randome Aug 2014 #150

It's incredible how many authoritarians vehemently hate Julian for blowing the whistle on corrupt Zorra Aug 2014 #154