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newthinking

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19. Anyone who has spend energy researching the truth
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 03:11 PM
Aug 2014

Knows that Kyiv has been overly aggressive and absolutely unwilling to compromise or be sensitive and careful in how they conduct the war. Their own actions evidence their nature despite huge effort spent on propaganda.

That is partly because the war is not all being fought by Kyiv, Oligarchs such as Kolomorsky have battalions of their own they essentially allow leaders of far right militant organizations (like Right Sector) to manage. But it is also because there is such a large presence of right wing extremists in or threatening the executive and legislative branches that they are required to act in an overly aggressive manner.

The western press has reported white as black and black as white, but the fact is that there have been many calls for ratcheting down and discussing compromise and Kyiv has consitantly talked like they are interested but *never* actually participated. Despite the fact that there are plenty of indications that a well constructed federalized unity would likely be welcomed.

Trouble with believing the Ukrainian press version of events, is it is common knowledge now that the Press and public figures in the country are under duress and heavily censured.
The narratives that worked for a while are lost. Too much of the general public knows the truth.

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Ukraine keeps spewing lies and suckers believe them n/t cosmicone Aug 2014 #1
Just wondering if thats based on fact in this specific case or just opinion? cstanleytech Aug 2014 #2
Prolly because oligarch-putin teevee said so... n/t Amonester Aug 2014 #3
They have a track record newthinking Aug 2014 #4
Of course how could I forget the guilty because of a track record !!!!! cstanleytech Aug 2014 #6
the Kiev neo Nazis Billy Budd Aug 2014 #5
Out of curiosity, how long do you think that transcript would be karynnj Aug 2014 #21
the transcript of the whole flight Billy Budd Aug 2014 #26
Ukraine has perpetuated lies from the get go cosmicone Aug 2014 #13
+1 for paying attention newthinking Aug 2014 #16
Why would Ukraine move civilians towards known refugee camps & fire on their own refugee convoy? Sunlei Aug 2014 #8
Why have they shelled water and sanitation and for many months newthinking Aug 2014 #17
humanitarian corridors? there's only one road along that whole border trucks can drive on. Sunlei Aug 2014 #18
Anyone who has spend energy researching the truth newthinking Aug 2014 #19
Victoria Shilova - Ukrainian MP speaks out about the truth newthinking Aug 2014 #20
How can you tell a Ukraine government official is lying? MattSh Aug 2014 #15
I mean jamzrockz Aug 2014 #7
+1 n/t cosmicone Aug 2014 #14
time line is off by days - those claims were days ago - this very recent ny karynnj Aug 2014 #22
They said they destroyed a Russian "humanitarian" convoy. Igel Aug 2014 #23
Ridiculous. So the Separatists killed family and friends escaping back ballyhoo Aug 2014 #9
Doesn't make any sense, does it? LisaL Aug 2014 #10
No. At least some of the previous stories were somewhat ballyhoo Aug 2014 #11
Why is it ridiculous? Igel Aug 2014 #24
I appreciate your attention to detail, Igel. Unfortunately, ballyhoo Aug 2014 #25
"working with my team" ?? karynnj Aug 2014 #27
Yes. Logical is what we determine seems right based on ballyhoo Aug 2014 #28
Again, who is "we" or "our team" karynnj Aug 2014 #29
I answered "yes" to your first question in your ballyhoo Aug 2014 #30
Almost as crazy as shooting down a passenger jet thinking it was a military transport NickB79 Aug 2014 #31
I say the plane was machine-gunned by either ballyhoo Aug 2014 #32
Ukraine crisis: 15 bodies found after strike on refugee convoy dipsydoodle Aug 2014 #12
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