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newthinking

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15. Only my own experience including a (mistaken) stint in a fundamentalist religion
Wed Aug 20, 2014, 04:44 PM
Aug 2014

I know how fundamentalism works well having seen it first hand. I never really "fit in" at the time, but it was a very valuable education.

Using force against fundamentalism is counterproductive, because it actually enhances the power of leadership over their "flock". All the major religions emphasize that they will be "persecuted" for their beliefs. When force is appled to a fundamentalist sect, most "believers" become hardened and more determined. In addition, by using weapons of force that also cause destruction on the more moderate around them, like bombing a country to try to kill off a minority threat, that actually also drives people into the arms of fundamentalists.

I understand a lot about this from how it works, but I am not well versed enough to give you sources. But I do know that this phenomenon is well studied.

(Opinion and generalization warning)
The best way to "deradicalize" most people is to give them peace and stability, and the best way to counter fundamentalist ideology is to show them that the alternative works much better. That is why fundamentalism has much more difficulty gaining hold in places of peace and low in authoritarianism, while it tends to increase in areas that are not stable.

Of course there are other ways we could be much more effective. For instance, much of the growth of modern fundamentalist islam came about from **our dollars**. If President Carter had been successful in moving the country away from oil imports Wahabism, which in a large part grew out of tithes from Oil riches, would not have grown to the extent it has.

If I might add: Containment is what Sadaam Husein was all about correct? His country was an example of it. I don't think we all want to be living in such a place?

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Since there is no gods humans are responsible for this AngryAmish Aug 2014 #1
Exactly. Phlem Aug 2014 #2
And ultimately; we need to learn that you cannot defeat religious fundamentalism with violence newthinking Aug 2014 #3
Do you have any evidence-based solutions to offer? Psephos Aug 2014 #14
Only my own experience including a (mistaken) stint in a fundamentalist religion newthinking Aug 2014 #15
Problem is, these extremists want to win the contest of who's the biggest badass on Earth... Amonester Aug 2014 #26
I appreciate a considered response. Psephos Aug 2014 #29
I believe in a power greater than us humans, call it what you want, call it God if you want.. olddad56 Aug 2014 #20
Okay Iamthetruth Aug 2014 #24
"No Just God"? I just don't get that...So ballyhoo Aug 2014 #4
Time to turn... HoosierCowboy Aug 2014 #5
Just like Vietnam ... GeorgeGist Aug 2014 #7
ISIS... HoosierCowboy Aug 2014 #13
There are tens of thousands of them in Syria flamingdem Aug 2014 #8
I heard estimates of 15,000 elias49 Aug 2014 #25
There is no just God. GeorgeGist Aug 2014 #6
you are correct. IF there was a just God, this shouldn't happen but onecent Aug 2014 #11
Oy vey, while our Congress starves US children. What god does that? nt valerief Aug 2014 #9
Oy vey is right. Rhinodawg Aug 2014 #12
The Abrahamic god is not a 'Just God' - just ask Lot's wife Dems to Win Aug 2014 #10
Off-putting? swilton Aug 2014 #17
+1000000 J_J_ Aug 2014 #22
Yahweh is a dick. Arugula Latte Aug 2014 #28
I take this to suggest that Obama is an atheist RussBLib Aug 2014 #16
You don't get it, he was talking about THEIR god... Amonester Aug 2014 #27
Religion destroys a working mind, Mr. Prez. Mass suicide of 909 persons @ Jonestown religious center blkmusclmachine Aug 2014 #18
http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130625111106/scars-of-the-past/images/f/f4/Jonestown_Bodies.jpg blkmusclmachine Aug 2014 #19
And his point is? Because America is not God J_J_ Aug 2014 #21
If there really was a powerful deity, why would it be mad about anything? Arugula Latte Aug 2014 #30
The entire world was appalled at the theft of millions of homes,then bankers getting a $$ bailout J_J_ Aug 2014 #23
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