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freshwest

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10. As a decent non racist white person, I disagree with that stance. I don't go for RW smears of a man
Wed Aug 20, 2014, 06:30 PM
Aug 2014
who while not perfect, is in tune with those he's speaking about.

Complaining about the family's choice of Rev. Al is as patronizing and racist as Hannity, Beck and O'Reilly have been. I don't give a damn if they wanted Farrakhan to say a few words. It's not my son being buried.

Bashing Obama and Holder on this are just as patronizing as the RW pundits telling 'those people' how to handle things. Obama and Holder will not be there because it would be considered an illegal, undue influence which was proven here in the case I cite below. Does anyone at DU remember how this turned out?

I did and so did Obama:

Judge: Obama sex assault comments unlawful command influence.

Two defendants in military sexual assault cases cannot be punitively discharged, if found guilty, because of “unlawful command influence” derived from comments made by President Barack Obama, a judge ruled in a Hawaii military court this week.

Navy Judge Cmdr. Marcus Fulton ruled during pretrial hearings in two sexual assault cases — U.S. vs. Johnson and U.S. vs. Fuentes — that comments made by Obama as commander in chief would unduly influence any potential sentencing, according to a court documents obtained by Stars and Stripes.

On Wednesday and Thursday, Fulton approved the pretrial defense motions, which used as evidence comments that Obama made about sexual assault at a May 7 news conference:


“The bottom line is: I have no tolerance for this,” Obama said, according to an NBC News story submitted as evidence by defense attorneys in the sexual assault cases.

‘I expect consequences,” Obama added. “So I don’t just want more speeches or awareness programs or training, but ultimately folks look the other way. If we find out somebody’s engaging in this, they’ve got to be held accountable — prosecuted, stripped of their positions, court martialed, fired, dishonorably discharged. Period.”

Continued in article:

http://www.stripes.com/judge-obama-sex-assault-comments-unlawful-command-influence-1.225974

to okaawhatever:


He wasn't talking about Johnson or Fuentes, he was making policy. It was in response and support of a bill to end sexual assaults in the military by not allowing them to be swept under the rug by technicalities, such as how good a soldier they'd been otherwise. I believe most fair minded Americans agreed with every word he said, but:

The victim represented by the US never saw justice because of the way that the judge interpreted those words. I think the judge was wrong but that is what happened. So in order to not let that happen again, he cannot visit or say what he thinks on Wilson and all the rest of it.

It's not about him being a coward, not caring, or any of what he's been accused. It's about caring for the victim and his family enough to not have his words used to allow the shooter to escape justice.

His tough talk taken out of context hurt a victim.* Is that not a higher goal than satistfying voyeurs on the net demanding to see him rip into Ferguson PD and the shooter?

Is that cheap thrill worth letting Michael Brown and his community suffer by letting the defense use his words to establish undue influence to free Wilson?

Most of us know damn well that they will. This is a disgrace to talk about a man who is trying to get the best thing done, not go for the political win in the short run and lose the bigger goal of justice.

JMHO!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025408241#post108

*Note, he recieved little praise on DU for that tough speech in the interview on his stance, either, only fault finding that there were any rapes going on at all. Obama has two daughters and is called the First Feminist President by some women. Why think he doesn't care?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025408826#post66

It's not for lack of caring that he's not there, nor is he or Holder not in the loop. They sent the FBI, done another autopsy, and are making a case that will change things in Feguson in the future, which is what the people there really want.

I expect the DOJ is going to make a case the PD will not be able to escape from and take control of the town's police force. An example of past cases effecting major changes, which got no media coverage or credit at DU:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/criminal-justice/law-disorder/17-justice-dept-investigations-into-police-departments-nationwide/

Some people have been thinking about the process involved there:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025407386

I'm not ascribing those things to you personally. But DUers need to look at the context.

It's not the right of us as white people to criticize how the Brown family chooses to grieve the death of Michael.

JMHO.

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