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Diclotican

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8. ellisonz
Sun Apr 1, 2012, 09:19 AM
Apr 2012

ellisonz

True, the shaddow of Tieamen Square protests of the 1989, is still in the backbones of the current chinese leadership, they lost almost their head when the students was standing their ground, for mounts for reforms of the political system, but also to make reform in the school system, and to fight the corruption who already then was rather rampant in China.. I was still a rather young kid when that happened, 5 grade, but I still remember both the stand still - and then the news about how the government and China, had bussed in "loyal troops" to crush the student revolt, in time for the Soviet leader Gorbatsjov to make a visit to the Chinese capital.. He never seen the student revolt, even though I’m pretty sure he was able to know what happened, from his own intelligence services who had, and have operatives inside China today...

China is today, more like a totalitarian state rather than a communist state. If they had been a communist state still, I guess the wealth would have been more in the hands of the many, rather than in the hand of the few - with connections to the Chinese leadership... The result of this, is that China is rather divided, by class, regional social political - ethnical and religious lines as you point out.. And this is never a good thing, when you have that many fault lines in a country.. China is a country, who traditionally have had fault lines, but where the leaderships is absolutely, and where the "peasants" know their stand in the world.. This is not the case anymore.. the "peasants" know, today that they have a voice, who they are starting to use in a way I suspect the current leadership is just not used to experience.. Deng Xiaopeng was a rather autoritanl leader, who could and did, brutal things to make dissents go away.. The problem is that the current leadership is maybe not in full control over their own country.. AAtimes have pointed out that even inside the high leadership of the PLA it is dissent to where to go, as the old, mighty generals have their share of interest to make the country stable - but many wish for the days when the word of the general was absolutely, and where the rest, when ordered to jump, asked how high they wished to jump.. And Bo-Xiali was also good at using neo-mao images, where songs, symbols, and the regular tradition going back to the Mao years was shown for the people.. The Chinese leadership have never really wanted to make a break with the Mao years. Mostly because the legimacy of the Communist Party could end up in the grind wagon.. And the chinese leadership know, that their POWER come from the communist party.. And the support of the PLA with its weapon.. And I also guess, many civilian leaders, is afraid of the old, mighty generals in the PLA, who could turn their weapon against them.... That is always a danger, when you give the Generals to much power I guess... They Can bite the hand who feed you...




China need more reforms, not just at the economical sector, but also in many other sectors, where the old guard still have much of the power, and where the conservative ideals are paramount still.. As long as China prosper, and the economy is ballooning it is far more easy to control it all, but when the economy are not the motor longer - and China could not sell their goods cheap to the world, then what?.. After 2008 when the rest of the world, almost got to a stand still, the Chinese leadership discovered the ugly underbelly of capitalism, when no one have money to spend, they tend to use it on the essentials, not on goods they could not need... And then, bom, the whole engine of the Chinese economy if not on a stand stil, it is on a far smaller scala than before...

The fight inside the communist party, the moderates, and the conservatives is a fight we just see the ripples of from outside China.. Today we just know what have happened before, but we just doesn’t for the moment who is the boss, as the current leadership is on their way out.. And China have always been rather unsafe, when change of the guard happening.. And we just not know, what really happening inside the country top leadership...

But we know, that what happening inside the Communist party in China, could have effects not just inside China, but also outside China.. if the hardliners won the game inside the Communist party, we all could be in for a ugly surprise, as the conservatives would be far more willingly to use the PLA, for showing how powerful China indeed are. And I fear, specially that India, and Russia would be in the cross air for many generals... They both "own" disputed land who China claim as their own, And many nationalistic Chinese would also turn back he clock, to before the late 1800 when Russia conquered more than 800.000 square km of Siberian ground, as an result where the imperial Chinese military had managed to loose to the Russians... And in the peace deal, more than 800.000 square km of Chinese ground, was made Russian... In that area, many suspects a lot of oil, gas and valuable metals to exist, and the last couple of years, specially after the year 2000, many Chinese "emigrants" have used tools, to get a peak in the ground.. And then suddenly coming home again, and more than possible reported about their findings.. The Russians have with good reasons been afraid of what this "emigrants" are really up to, and protested to their counterparts in China..
And China have been on a war footing with Russia before - even under the cold war, in the early 1960s, China and Russia waged a world war one style war with eatch other, and it took time for the russian army, who was far better equipment than the counterparts of the PLA, to end the war, when their armored military forces got into action...

I fear, we still wil live in "interesting times" when it is coming to China.. And where they want to go in the future

Diclotican

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