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Morganfleeman

(117 posts)
8. This is baloney of the highest order
Thu Aug 21, 2014, 05:59 AM
Aug 2014

The Supreme Court decision was broad-based with all but Ginsburg agreeing and Sotomayor recusing herself.

There is a solution to this problem. A country has a clear prerogative to issue domestic currency bonds under local law. Why don't they do so?

Because most investors would not touch these emerging markets bonds with a bargepole BUT FOR the protection of New York law. The overwhelming majority of investors in emerging market debt are not vulture funds, but sovereign wealth funds, U.S. and international pension funds and bond funds and endowments. These investors are going to demand a much higher rate of return from serial defaulters like Argentina if they are buying into local law debt, because these investors are potentially subject to cramdown should said sovereign decide it no longer wants to pay its debts.

Countries with poor credit ratings like issuing under New York law because it gives them better access to capital markets and a wider pool of investors. That is fact, otherwise they wouldn't do it. They certainly don't HAVE to subject themselves to New York law. The hallmark of sovereignty IS that freedom to decide what jurisdiction a country will issue bonds in.

Argentina was happy to accept the benefits of issuing under New York law at the time they issued, and they should accept the consequences. Rest assured that any future bonds Argentina issues under Argentine law will carry a much higher premium than its New York law bonds.

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Touché. You vultures want your red meat, fly down to Buenos Aires and get it. Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #1
And when the vultures arrive in Buenos Aires they could be introduced to the inside of an Louisiana1976 Aug 2014 #16
Contempt? EX500rider Aug 2014 #2
Maybe NY court will levy Argentine assets in USA Cicada Aug 2014 #3
Argentina should retaliate. JackRiddler Aug 2014 #4
I Agree Completely, Sir The Magistrate Aug 2014 #12
Tell us how you really feel alcibiades_mystery Aug 2014 #13
Exactly. Argentina should tell the "barbarian plunderers" to pound sand. Louisiana1976 Aug 2014 #14
+1. nt bemildred Aug 2014 #19
Cry me a river Morganfleeman Aug 2014 #5
Make those people starve! JackRiddler Aug 2014 #10
That's right. What the vultures want to do to Argentina is financial rape. It's capitalism at its Louisiana1976 Aug 2014 #15
And the vulture funds VOLUTARILY chose to buy those very discounted Argentine bonds. nt bemildred Aug 2014 #20
maybe their assets will and maybe they won't griloco Sep 2014 #40
Cristina's bag of tricks is empty quadrature Aug 2014 #6
Expropriate U.S. assets. JackRiddler Aug 2014 #11
That worked out so well for Cuba FrodosPet Aug 2014 #25
Landowners from other countries already took compensation offers from Cuba long ago. Judi Lynn Aug 2014 #34
A lot better than what would have happened... JackRiddler Aug 2014 #35
Sounds like nothing much changed. nt bemildred Aug 2014 #21
Earlier story posted at D.U.: US Council of Foreign Affairs supports Argentina, blasts Judge Griesa Judi Lynn Aug 2014 #7
This is baloney of the highest order Morganfleeman Aug 2014 #8
Hmmm... That's borderline delusional. Adrahil Aug 2014 #9
Argentina is not broke, how did you conjure that up? The Council may know more about it than you Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #17
Vultures are mass rapists. JackRiddler Aug 2014 #18
so how much payment(by Argentina) is enough? quadrature Aug 2014 #22
That seems to be what is in dispute. nt bemildred Aug 2014 #23
And What Is Not In Dispute, Sir, Is What A Great Majority Of The Bond-Holders Agreed To Accept The Magistrate Aug 2014 #24
You must know I agree, Sir. bemildred Aug 2014 #26
I Understand, Sir The Magistrate Aug 2014 #28
So you did, Sir. bemildred Aug 2014 #29
'paid in Buenos Aires' is misleading headline, better would be NOT paid quadrature Aug 2014 #32
Indeed, Sir: Not Paid The Full Amount The Magistrate Aug 2014 #33
BRICS will lend them money. the waning of the west? griloco Sep 2014 #38
their country, their rules Travis_0004 Aug 2014 #27
I know if I was christx30 Aug 2014 #31
yur a bit behind the times griloco Sep 2014 #37
Two creditors tried to fuck over an entire country, and other creditors to boot. riqster Aug 2014 #30
Nobel Prize Winner Sides With Argentina Over Debt Swap Issue Judi Lynn Aug 2014 #36
Argentina specifically gave that NY magistrate the power to judge their bonds hack89 Sep 2014 #39
Queue new Falklands crisis in 3...2... Calista241 Sep 2014 #41
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