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Psephos

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29. I appreciate a considered response.
Thu Aug 21, 2014, 02:04 PM
Aug 2014

It sounds like your firsthand experience with fundamentalism was truly educational.

Many of the theorists behind Iraq War II actually espoused what you said about de-radicalizing extremists by showing them that a better, more peaceful and stable life was possible. Who knows, maybe even a few of those neocons believed it.

But it's beside the point. The problem is that the murders and genocide are happening now.

There are structures in civilization that keep violence in check. Radical fundamentalism is only one of a number of disruptive forces that can unleash the worst in humankind. Attempting to methodically address the discontent and rootlessness that drives people to extremist religions takes years or decades.

These guys are burying people alive today. Hacking off people's heads and photographing their smiling children holding up the heads today. Threatening to blow up major dams today.

I don't know if the US has much it can do effectively, or if other people elsewhere are better disposed to act. The UN is a joke. NATO has no real business in the Middle East. Opportunist nations of the region circle like vultures.

Recent history shows the US is incapable of bringing peace in the Middle East through conventional war. Recent history also shows that doing nothing except wringing hands and watching on the internet means thousands of people will die horrible deaths.

So, doing nothing doesn't work. Doing the wrong thing doesn't work. That leaves doing the right thing as the only option.

So, figuring out the right thing to do is where the debate should be. Evidence-based decision-making, not political opinion. Otherwise, the head-hackers justly believe that they are destined to prevail while cowards look the other way and have political debates instead.

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Since there is no gods humans are responsible for this AngryAmish Aug 2014 #1
Exactly. Phlem Aug 2014 #2
And ultimately; we need to learn that you cannot defeat religious fundamentalism with violence newthinking Aug 2014 #3
Do you have any evidence-based solutions to offer? Psephos Aug 2014 #14
Only my own experience including a (mistaken) stint in a fundamentalist religion newthinking Aug 2014 #15
Problem is, these extremists want to win the contest of who's the biggest badass on Earth... Amonester Aug 2014 #26
I appreciate a considered response. Psephos Aug 2014 #29
I believe in a power greater than us humans, call it what you want, call it God if you want.. olddad56 Aug 2014 #20
Okay Iamthetruth Aug 2014 #24
"No Just God"? I just don't get that...So ballyhoo Aug 2014 #4
Time to turn... HoosierCowboy Aug 2014 #5
Just like Vietnam ... GeorgeGist Aug 2014 #7
ISIS... HoosierCowboy Aug 2014 #13
There are tens of thousands of them in Syria flamingdem Aug 2014 #8
I heard estimates of 15,000 elias49 Aug 2014 #25
There is no just God. GeorgeGist Aug 2014 #6
you are correct. IF there was a just God, this shouldn't happen but onecent Aug 2014 #11
Oy vey, while our Congress starves US children. What god does that? nt valerief Aug 2014 #9
Oy vey is right. Rhinodawg Aug 2014 #12
The Abrahamic god is not a 'Just God' - just ask Lot's wife Dems to Win Aug 2014 #10
Off-putting? swilton Aug 2014 #17
+1000000 J_J_ Aug 2014 #22
Yahweh is a dick. Arugula Latte Aug 2014 #28
I take this to suggest that Obama is an atheist RussBLib Aug 2014 #16
You don't get it, he was talking about THEIR god... Amonester Aug 2014 #27
Religion destroys a working mind, Mr. Prez. Mass suicide of 909 persons @ Jonestown religious center blkmusclmachine Aug 2014 #18
http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130625111106/scars-of-the-past/images/f/f4/Jonestown_Bodies.jpg blkmusclmachine Aug 2014 #19
And his point is? Because America is not God J_J_ Aug 2014 #21
If there really was a powerful deity, why would it be mad about anything? Arugula Latte Aug 2014 #30
The entire world was appalled at the theft of millions of homes,then bankers getting a $$ bailout J_J_ Aug 2014 #23
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