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ozone_man

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23. Time to apologize to Assad?
Thu Aug 21, 2014, 08:53 PM
Aug 2014

From Democracy Now interview:


NERMEEN SHAIKH: Patrick Cockburn, before we conclude, I want to ask you about the role of Saudi Arabia in the rise of these Sunni militant movements. You’ve suggested that it’s not only because of financing, private financing principally from Saudi Arabia, that these groups have become as strong as they have, but also because of the ideology of Wahhabism that originates in Saudi Arabia. Could you explain what that is and how it spread?

PATRICK COCKBURN: Well, the Wahhabi ideology is very—has always been very similar to that of al-Qaeda. It’s a puritanical Islamic ideology, very bigoted. They’ve been blowing up shrines in Mosul. But the Saudi government has also been responsible for shrines being removed. In Bahrain in 2011, when a Saudi force entered to support the Bahraini government against a protest by the majority Shia community, they destroyed 20 to 30 Shia shrines and mosques. They bulldozed them. So, I think Wahhabism and the ideology of al-Qaeda and the ideology of ISIS today is very similar—Shia are regarded as heretics, so are Christians—that there isn’t that much difference. And this has had enormous impact, because it’s backed by Saudi Arabia’s enormous wealth. You know, if somebody wants to build a mosque in Bangladesh where it’s going to cost $30,000, where would he get $30,000? Normally it comes from Saudi Arabia or the Gulf. So I think one of the most important things that’s happening in the world over the last 50 years is the way in which mainstream Sunni Islam, which is the religion of about one-and-a-half billion people in the world, has been increasingly colored and taken over by the very intolerant Wahhabi faith.

AMY GOODMAN: And yet, the U.S. government’s, you know, fierce opposition to Iran and close cozying up to Saudi Arabia, whether it’s President Obama, Clinton, the Bushes, of course, well known for that?

PATRICK COCKBURN: Yeah, I mean, this is—you know, after 9/11, all the links of the hijackers—15 out of the 19 hijackers were Saudi. Bin Laden was part of the Saudi elite. U.S. investigations all showed that money had come from private donors in Saudi Arabia and the Gulf. But they always ignored this. And I think it’s one of the reasons that al-Qaeda survived, and its ideology, its ideas and so forth have now been transmuted into ISIS. You know, it is extraordinary that you had this war of terror, and hundreds of billions of dollars, trillions of dollars spent on it by the U.S. and other governments, and 13 years later that there’s an al-Qaeda-type organization, worse in many ways than al-Qaeda, more violent than al-Qaeda, which has taken over a great chunk of the Middle East. I mean, this is a tremendous failure, and very little attention is being given to it.

http://www.democracynow.org/2014/8/13/the_rise_of_isis_us_invasion

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I'm curious as to his definition of defeat. n/t cloudbase Aug 2014 #1
He's right; thats where they have the armor they took from the Iraqis 7962 Aug 2014 #2
Then let Assad do it. PSPS Aug 2014 #3
Assad has finally started to do just that: Syria jets hit Islamic State targets in Raqqa pampango Aug 2014 #4
I guess it would be better to let them kill each other and save OUR money 7962 Aug 2014 #20
Weren't these the rebels we were supposed to be supporting? philosslayer Aug 2014 #5
Definitly some that McCain visited and shared photographs with in Syria. gordianot Aug 2014 #9
I think McCain was photographed some of them. Renew Deal Aug 2014 #10
McCain lost track quickly too. JoePhilly Aug 2014 #18
See this is what happens when we arm our "friends"..... lexx21 Aug 2014 #32
This is going to take response from the entire region. louis-t Aug 2014 #6
I agree, but it appears unlikely to happen, I think. DLnyc Aug 2014 #16
You really think Israel isn't petrified of ISIS? louis-t Aug 2014 #19
Netanyahu said to leave ISIS and let the muslims fight among themselves. CJCRANE Aug 2014 #21
That all depends on who wins. louis-t Aug 2014 #29
Guardian: Former top general calls on Obama to wipe out Isis in wake of Foley killing Dems to Win Aug 2014 #7
Israeli PM Netanyahu seems to agrees with you! FrodosPet Aug 2014 #27
The careful observer will see that "terror" has become a Hydra of our making . . . Journeyman Aug 2014 #8
Indeed and the first head cut off was Saddam Hussein. eom Purveyor Aug 2014 #11
Actually, the first attempt was the Taliban in Afghanistan . . . Journeyman Aug 2014 #14
The job could have been done in Afghanistan but bush/cheney were to anxious Purveyor Aug 2014 #26
This message was self-deleted by its author GeorgeGist Aug 2014 #12
He's right. It would take boots on the ground. HooptieWagon Aug 2014 #13
Well, that's the US and Russia out of the game then ... Nihil Aug 2014 #28
It's going to be a regional war at the least. roamer65 Aug 2014 #15
It should keep them all busy for a few years CJCRANE Aug 2014 #22
I don't recall Martin E. Dempsey running for office. L0oniX Aug 2014 #17
Time to apologize to Assad? ozone_man Aug 2014 #23
Yes. The first thing the Saud family did when they got into power in Arabia candelista Aug 2014 #25
It took going into Cambodia to beat the VC daleo Aug 2014 #24
And guess what? That would not halt ISIS. It would only get more civilians killed and more kelliekat44 Aug 2014 #30
You mean helping the government the US was trying to overthrow, not last year? /nt Ash_F Aug 2014 #31
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