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Judi Lynn

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34. Landowners from other countries already took compensation offers from Cuba long ago.
Fri Aug 22, 2014, 09:26 PM
Aug 2014

Only U.S. owners refused to accept the offers made to them while owners in Canada, Europe, Latin America, etc. settled decades ago.

More on the subject:


The US Blockade of Cuba: Its Effects and Global Consequences
Nicholas Partyka I Geopolitics I Analysis I May 2nd, 2014

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It is not possible to discuss almost any aspect of life in Cuba without talking about the US blockade of the island. That the US has an 'embargo' against the island is one of the few things that Americans might know about Cuba. This policy of economic warfare against our hemispheric neighbor has been in place for more than five decades now. In this dispatch, I want to focus on the US blockade policy. We will look briefly at why it exists, its aims, its status under international law, and what its main effects are. Though many Americans may know that there is an "embargo" (though "blockade" is more accurate), few likely know how it works and what its costs are. Attempting to remedy this situation will be the point of this part of the series.

On New Year's Eve 1958, Fulgencio Batista fled Cuba. The next day, the revolutionary government took control of the country. For the better part of a year, the US foreign policy establishment did not know what to make of Fidel Castro and his revolution. Relations remained cordial until Fidel announced the implementation of a set of Agrarian Reform laws. These laws aimed to put land in the hands of poor farmers who had been largely excluded from land ownership under the old regime. Many of the lands nationalized under Fidel's measures belonged to US citizens or companies; e.g. King Ranch. Other nations also had property nationalized in Cuba in the wake of the revolution, but only the US refused compensation, which the Cubans offered.

In a somewhat ironic twist, the Cubans offered compensation for nationalized property on the basis of the property's value as determined by the most recent pre-revolutionary Cuban tax assessments. Now, this would only be a problem for US owners of Cuban property to be nationalized if those owners felt that there was too large a discrepancy between the value of the compensation offered and the market value of that property. This kind of situation would be likely to come about if US owners had massively underreported the value of their Cuban property to Cuban tax officials (perhaps with official blessing of the regime at the time). The response of the US to these compensation matters also has nothing to do with the fact that the then-sitting CIA Director, Allen Dulles, sat on the Board of Directors for at least one large US firm to have property nationalized in Cuba, namely the infamous United Fruit Company.

Before the revolution, underreporting taxable value saved money in taxes and thus put more of it back in the owner's pocket. After the revolution however, this meant that those owners would lose out in a compensation package offered by the new Cuban government as the value of the compensation offered would be substantially less than what the property would be worth on the market. US owners of Cuban property wanted to both receive the real value of their property, but also not thereby tacitly admit what Castro and the Cuban revolution had accused them of, namely taking advantage of Cuba and Cubans for their own private gain. This is a classic example of one not being able to have one's cake and eat it too. The refusal of the US to acknowledge this had lead to the lion's share of the trials and tribulations that have arisen as the US and Cuba attempt to normalize relations.

More:
http://www.hamptoninstitution.org/cuba-project-part-two.html#.U3lxZmcU9Ms

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Touché. You vultures want your red meat, fly down to Buenos Aires and get it. Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #1
And when the vultures arrive in Buenos Aires they could be introduced to the inside of an Louisiana1976 Aug 2014 #16
Contempt? EX500rider Aug 2014 #2
Maybe NY court will levy Argentine assets in USA Cicada Aug 2014 #3
Argentina should retaliate. JackRiddler Aug 2014 #4
I Agree Completely, Sir The Magistrate Aug 2014 #12
Tell us how you really feel alcibiades_mystery Aug 2014 #13
Exactly. Argentina should tell the "barbarian plunderers" to pound sand. Louisiana1976 Aug 2014 #14
+1. nt bemildred Aug 2014 #19
Cry me a river Morganfleeman Aug 2014 #5
Make those people starve! JackRiddler Aug 2014 #10
That's right. What the vultures want to do to Argentina is financial rape. It's capitalism at its Louisiana1976 Aug 2014 #15
And the vulture funds VOLUTARILY chose to buy those very discounted Argentine bonds. nt bemildred Aug 2014 #20
maybe their assets will and maybe they won't griloco Sep 2014 #40
Cristina's bag of tricks is empty quadrature Aug 2014 #6
Expropriate U.S. assets. JackRiddler Aug 2014 #11
That worked out so well for Cuba FrodosPet Aug 2014 #25
Landowners from other countries already took compensation offers from Cuba long ago. Judi Lynn Aug 2014 #34
A lot better than what would have happened... JackRiddler Aug 2014 #35
Sounds like nothing much changed. nt bemildred Aug 2014 #21
Earlier story posted at D.U.: US Council of Foreign Affairs supports Argentina, blasts Judge Griesa Judi Lynn Aug 2014 #7
This is baloney of the highest order Morganfleeman Aug 2014 #8
Hmmm... That's borderline delusional. Adrahil Aug 2014 #9
Argentina is not broke, how did you conjure that up? The Council may know more about it than you Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #17
Vultures are mass rapists. JackRiddler Aug 2014 #18
so how much payment(by Argentina) is enough? quadrature Aug 2014 #22
That seems to be what is in dispute. nt bemildred Aug 2014 #23
And What Is Not In Dispute, Sir, Is What A Great Majority Of The Bond-Holders Agreed To Accept The Magistrate Aug 2014 #24
You must know I agree, Sir. bemildred Aug 2014 #26
I Understand, Sir The Magistrate Aug 2014 #28
So you did, Sir. bemildred Aug 2014 #29
'paid in Buenos Aires' is misleading headline, better would be NOT paid quadrature Aug 2014 #32
Indeed, Sir: Not Paid The Full Amount The Magistrate Aug 2014 #33
BRICS will lend them money. the waning of the west? griloco Sep 2014 #38
their country, their rules Travis_0004 Aug 2014 #27
I know if I was christx30 Aug 2014 #31
yur a bit behind the times griloco Sep 2014 #37
Two creditors tried to fuck over an entire country, and other creditors to boot. riqster Aug 2014 #30
Nobel Prize Winner Sides With Argentina Over Debt Swap Issue Judi Lynn Aug 2014 #36
Argentina specifically gave that NY magistrate the power to judge their bonds hack89 Sep 2014 #39
Queue new Falklands crisis in 3...2... Calista241 Sep 2014 #41
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