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29. California state legislators now feel good, like they've done something about a problem.

Fri Aug 29, 2014, 11:08 AM

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Other than that, I don't see the difference. He said/she said is still there unless they're going to start requiring written or video recorded "contracts" as a condition for having sex. I could argue that it's actually a little worse for victims, because now it's another obstacle a victim will have to fight through if they initially consented but changed their mind during the encounter and said no.

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California Legislature passes ‘yes means yes’ bill [View all] DonViejo Aug 2014 OP

So....is anything different? n/t Calista241 Aug 2014 #1

Did you read the full article or just the excerpt, above? DonViejo Aug 2014 #2

Yeah, it says you need an affirmative response before getting down to business. Calista241 Aug 2014 #4

What is different is passiveporcupine Aug 2014 #13

It's already been illegal to have sex someone intoxicated or unconcious davidn3600 Aug 2014 #14

So basically, it's "unless she actually says 'yes', you have to assume it's 'no'" Fortinbras Armstrong Aug 2014 #20

or any of the variants Niceguy1 Aug 2014 #23

exactly passiveporcupine Aug 2014 #34

I guess thee are fucked up people out there. Calista241 Aug 2014 #30

California state legislators now feel good, like they've done something about a problem. hughee99 Aug 2014 #29

Mahalo Don Cha Aug 2014 #3

If “an affirmative, unambiguous and conscious decision” by each party to engage in sexual activity. kelly1mm Aug 2014 #5

It doesn't say "stone cold sober" it says affirmative, unambiguous and conscious nt geek tragedy Aug 2014 #6

True - but I used the word intoxicated - so lets use the .08 alcohol limit for driving. kelly1mm Aug 2014 #7

Good thing this law isn't designed to come between you and your wife. Regrell Aug 2014 #8

I was trying to suggest a definable objective limit. I proposed .08 as that is common kelly1mm Aug 2014 #10

drunk sex can be awesome! Niceguy1 Aug 2014 #25

good point! n/t librechik Aug 2014 #22

A couple could easily be guilty of raping each other, under this standard. Nye Bevan Aug 2014 #31

That was my reading of the standard as well. You stated it better than I did! Thanks! nt kelly1mm Aug 2014 #32

States differ somewhat in their standard but intoxication has always mattered. Unvanguard Aug 2014 #42

Creepily sounds like "a girl can't change her mind" law. truthisfreedom Aug 2014 #9

You have a good point jamzrockz Aug 2014 #16

This happened to a friend of mine (years ago)...she initially wanted to have sex with CTyankee Aug 2014 #33

No means no at any time in the process lululu Aug 2014 #40

As I read further I found that out, to my relief... CTyankee Aug 2014 #44

It's not. The bill is explicit on that point. Unvanguard Aug 2014 #43

Government in the bedroom. Psephos Aug 2014 #11

it's not progressive to prosecute rape? mopinko Aug 2014 #18

Precisely Fortinbras Armstrong Aug 2014 #21

verbal consent is still not necessary in every encounter passiveporcupine Aug 2014 #35

OK, let me restate Fortinbras Armstrong Aug 2014 #38

Yes, you are correct, and passiveporcupine Aug 2014 #39

It's not, but preventing rape is. LanternWaste Aug 2014 #27

And since when is rape defined as "sexual relations"? /nt demwing Aug 2014 #45

Since when did you conflate rape being ok and govt. in the bedroom? Psephos Aug 2014 #48

Government regulates criminal activity, some criminal activity happens "in the bedroom" demwing Sep 2014 #50

Do you support govt intrusion into whether or not to terminate pregnancy? Psephos Sep 2014 #51

Do you always answer a question with another question? demwing Sep 2014 #52

The sad thing is the irony doesn't seem intentional. n/t Psephos Sep 2014 #53

It's not really ironic, unless I'm falling to the same level demwing Sep 2014 #56

Ok, at this point, I doff my hat to a remarkable Poe. Psephos Sep 2014 #57

I'm sure those who equate abortion with murder will be interested in your theory. Psephos Sep 2014 #54

You're being obtuse demwing Sep 2014 #55

Rape is rape. It is not 'sexual relations'. It is rape lunatica Aug 2014 #46

So young men can develop healthy patterns? Snow Leopard Aug 2014 #12

How about a signed and notorized contract for each encounter? malthaussen Aug 2014 #15

Or maybe jamzrockz Aug 2014 #17

I absolutely recommend that to college aged kids. AngryAmish Aug 2014 #19

is that supposed to be amusing? mopinko Aug 2014 #24

Not at all jamzrockz Aug 2014 #26

so the asshole cam post it on a revenge site? mopinko Aug 2014 #36

Ok then jamzrockz Aug 2014 #37

As we've seen a lot with cops lately, this is a logical next step. Psephos Aug 2014 #49

I wonder if you understand the difference between rape and consensual sex lunatica Aug 2014 #47

Sadly, the law isn't as big a win as it's made out to be. Xithras Aug 2014 #28

Good for them. This is the right rule and it should be adopted generally. n/t Unvanguard Aug 2014 #41