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18. More To The Point, Sir, If They Did, Would You Want The U.S. Moving Tanks And Troops Into Mexico?

Fri Aug 29, 2014, 01:26 PM

Aug 2014

Because you cannot have this both ways. If Putin is reacting properly to some provocation, than anyone else similarly provoked, and reacting in similar fashion, is just as right to do so as he is.

Thus, for example, all U.S. activities against Castro's Cuba were wholly proper reactions which left and progressive people should support as well within bounds for the United States; similarly nothing the United States did in Nicaragua, or even in Chile, was anything more than proper response to provocation. Even today, attempts by the United States to subvert the Venezuelan government must be regarded as being wholly within bounds of proper behavior by a great power, faced with a neighbor moving, or moved, out of its sphere of economic and political dominance.

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Don't mess with nuclear Russia, Putin says [View all] candelista Aug 2014 OP

you sir . invaded ukrane . not us . plain and simple . want us to back down , leave sir. allan01 Aug 2014 #1

And how would you have reacted had he said the same to us when we invaded Iraq? nm rhett o rick Aug 2014 #61

Willing to have a nuclear war over Ukraine? Not me. n/t Joe Magarac Aug 2014 #118

" " "" n/t MBS Aug 2014 #121

Wow. That guy is getting dangerous. C Moon Aug 2014 #2

His enormous ego is being stroked daily by FOX News' TeaParty mentality. blm Aug 2014 #4

Good lord, IronGate Aug 2014 #3

or his Heartthrob George GeorgeGist Aug 2014 #64

What an idiot. tridim Aug 2014 #5

And what exactly would that be? Bragi Aug 2014 #17

Maybe vote him out next time around, if Putin allows a vote next time. nt. IronGate Aug 2014 #30

once again, america has no moral leadership Fred Drum Aug 2014 #37

Huh? IronGate Aug 2014 #43

you get who you vote for Fred Drum Aug 2014 #47

That was kinda my point, the citizens need to vote Putin out the next time around IronGate Aug 2014 #55

that is exactly the point Fred Drum Aug 2014 #57

Can't argue with that. nt. IronGate Aug 2014 #59

Putin has never legitimately won an election. joshcryer Aug 2014 #67

very interesting drray23 Aug 2014 #105

The points measure turnout. joshcryer Aug 2014 #110

The American people did not elect George bu$h in 2000 Art_from_Ark Aug 2014 #99

The second time around, a majority voted for W. n/t Joe Magarac Aug 2014 #119

What the heck does that have to do with Skidmore Aug 2014 #111

Actually, gwbush wasn't "elected".. he was selected by SCOTUS. Cha Aug 2014 #112

vote him out(lol) kardonb Aug 2014 #96

Too bad Ukraine Duckhunter935 Aug 2014 #6

Let go of the South... Hulk Aug 2014 #24

agreed Duckhunter935 Aug 2014 #29

reminds you of the late 30's ??? Fred Drum Aug 2014 #39

Ukraine reminds me of Finland. PeoViejo Aug 2014 #65

Yes and no.... Hulk Aug 2014 #41

Do the people there get a say? Igel Aug 2014 #103

Plus 1000! I have been saying since the Crimea invasion that the lesson is that nuclear armed kelly1mm Aug 2014 #53

I think you are right on Duckhunter935 Aug 2014 #56

I'm not a fan of Mr. Putin, but . . FairWinds Aug 2014 #7

Agreed Bragi Aug 2014 #12

I don't know. Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2014 #16

The US already helped remove a democratically elected Govtt in Kiev Bragi Aug 2014 #19

Details on your theory, please. Facts, evidence, etc. Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2014 #20

Those facts are well known. candelista Aug 2014 #23

Sad that they have to be reminded of it over and over isn't it? N/t cosmicone Aug 2014 #27

Right. But in another thread coming soon, nilesobek Aug 2014 #124

Politifact: Contrary to claims, the United States did not spend $5 billion to incite the rebellion pampango Aug 2014 #42

You get your sources, and I'll get mine. candelista Aug 2014 #46

No that's what climate change deniers always say. That does not work with liberals. pampango Aug 2014 #72

As The Man Said, Sir: You Can Have Your Own Opinions, But Not Your Own Facts... The Magistrate Aug 2014 #75

Liberals do not appoint an anonymous person on a website former9thward Aug 2014 #81

True, but that is not what I posted. I asked for the source the poster referred to so that pampango Aug 2014 #100

"Contrary to claims, the United States did not spend $5 billion to incite the rebellion in Ukraine" Cha Aug 2014 #114

How do you figure? Mr. Yanukovych left just after signing an agreement to stay in power until pampango Aug 2014 #36

More To The Point, Sir, If They Did, Would You Want The U.S. Moving Tanks And Troops Into Mexico? The Magistrate Aug 2014 #18

With all due respect,Sir, I disagree with you here sadoldgirl Aug 2014 #35

I Disagree With All Of Them, Ma'am, But Fail To See How Any Supporting Putin In Ukraine Can Do So The Magistrate Aug 2014 #38

Let me get this straight,Sir sadoldgirl Aug 2014 #45

I Agree He Is Likely To Get All He Wants, Ma'am The Magistrate Aug 2014 #50

Sorry to be so late, Sir sadoldgirl Aug 2014 #60

Thank You For That, Ma'am The Magistrate Aug 2014 #69

Central and Latin America cosmicone Aug 2014 #70

Sphere of Influence Is Sphere Of Influence, Sir The Magistrate Aug 2014 #74

First of all, you are assuming facts not in evidence cosmicone Aug 2014 #87

That Just Gets You Deeper Into The Weeds Of Special Pleading, Sir The Magistrate Aug 2014 #92

National borders don't mean as much if they are contiguous to a strong country? pampango Aug 2014 #78

You're an idealist and I respect that cosmicone Aug 2014 #86

"In my pragmatic world, everyone is not equal because they cannot be." "Thus, Russia's national pampango Aug 2014 #101

It is a big domain - little domain thing cosmicone Aug 2014 #108

So "everyone is not equal because they cannot be" is an acceptable liberal policy outside the US pampango Aug 2014 #122

Oh man cosmicone Aug 2014 #123

If you do not find it morally acceptable that Russia's (powerful) interests trump Ukraine's (lesser) pampango Aug 2014 #125

Excellent post with cogent and succinct points that most are ignoring. n/t cosmicone Aug 2014 #26

+infinity!!! newfie11 Aug 2014 #32

Do you speak for all the veterans for Peace? HERVEPA Aug 2014 #52

agreed samsingh Aug 2014 #8

He just rubs it in. sadoldgirl Aug 2014 #9

I know, right? Putin's so strong & dreamy, with his pecs and large nukes. Tarheel_Dem Aug 2014 #48

he's getting scarier samsingh Aug 2014 #10

Next stop, Malibu Beach. candelista Aug 2014 #25

LMAO cosmicone Aug 2014 #28

While his fans on DU yuk it up. Cha Aug 2014 #115

Otoh Libya, Iraq, afganistan, Vietnam, maybe soon Syria newfie11 Aug 2014 #11

The 7 countries: Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan & Iran. candelista Aug 2014 #31

Thank you nt newfie11 Aug 2014 #34

So if "we" are after oil then support must be illegitimate. Igel Aug 2014 #104

How would you feel about Russia drilling in the gulf? newfie11 Aug 2014 #106

HEY Putin tell that to these crazy ass republicans and neo cons who bigdarryl Aug 2014 #13

Yep! Bragi Aug 2014 #15

Nicely said, Vlad Bragi Aug 2014 #14

Duck and cover.< Putin isn't nearly the threat that some of our own are. They jtuck004 Aug 2014 #21

Duly noted, Comrade Major Putin. n/t ColesCountyDem Aug 2014 #22

Yep, just another Putin apologists. nt. IronGate Aug 2014 #33

We'll show them guys! another_liberal Aug 2014 #40

Poker time . . Iliyah Aug 2014 #44

What if Putin isn't bluffing? another_liberal Aug 2014 #49

But We Know Who You Think Is For Calling Him, Sir, You Have Made That Quite Clear The Magistrate Aug 2014 #76

This is intentional harrassment, Magi . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #85

Calling Attention To Just Who You Say Wants That Bluff Called, And Why, Sir, Is Worth Doing The Magistrate Aug 2014 #93

Like a dog with a bone . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #95

Fuck him. Let HIM get the blame for exploding a 3rd nuclear weapon DinahMoeHum Aug 2014 #51

How about nobody explodes a nuke on anybody . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #54

How about Putin, for once, thinking with his head. . . DinahMoeHum Aug 2014 #82

You'll have to unwrap that one for me . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #83

Too many people letting the little head down there. . . DinahMoeHum Aug 2014 #88

No doubt there are . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #89

Hey Mr. HERVEPA FairWinds Aug 2014 #58

Hear! Hear! another_liberal Aug 2014 #66

+1,000,000 n/t cosmicone Aug 2014 #71

Great points! ozone_man Aug 2014 #91

That is a great statement, sadoldgirl Aug 2014 #62

Has Putin received an MRI Corgigal Aug 2014 #63

Putin is clever like a fox cosmicone Aug 2014 #73

If Obama did this reflection Aug 2014 #68

He misses his pal bush. They could strut around half naked louis-t Aug 2014 #77

Pooty MFM008 Aug 2014 #79

Awe, Putie has a sad... EX500rider Aug 2014 #80

Remember Bush during his mission accomplished speech. "The United States is the most powerful" Monk06 Aug 2014 #84

Putin only wishes he could be Bush.. Cha Aug 2014 #116

The one good thing about Bush ... Joe Magarac Aug 2014 #120

When ISIS/ISIL enters Russia's muslim areas, the US kiranon Aug 2014 #90

The West doesn't want Russia as a partner . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #94

+infinity newfie11 Aug 2014 #102

He has turned to the future on trade. He's signing deals with China. roamer65 Aug 2014 #113

A sign of insecurity and weakness, when you grab for the nuclear threat. TwilightGardener Aug 2014 #98

Ukraine ultimatum: Russians have 5 days for withdrawal reorg Aug 2014 #107

Why should Putin not threaten to use nuclear weapons? FairWinds Aug 2014 #109

Doesn't make it fucking right. Cha Aug 2014 #117