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33. There are two portions of Hamas; the political wing and the military wing.

Sat Aug 30, 2014, 11:08 PM

Aug 2014

Hearing Hamas, Hamas, Hamas is getting absolutely tiring.

The fact is that Israel is using the military wing of Hamas as an excuse. There is nothing that 'forced' Israel to go after Gaza and kill so many, and destroy so much. That is a choice, and it was the wrong choice.

Should they pay? Yes. Perhaps they will pay through boycott, divestment and sanctions. There will not be peace until Israel stops occupying territory, or gives the right of return and learns to live with her Palestinian neighbours as full citizens.

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International Group Says It Will Take 20 Years To Build Adequate Housing For Gaza [View all] Purveyor Aug 2014 OP

Even longer, if Hamas keeps diverting cement and timber to build tunnels. n/t ColesCountyDem Aug 2014 #1

They need the tunnels to import goods past the illegal blockade cpwm17 Aug 2014 #3

They don't need tunnels into Israel hack89 Aug 2014 #6

The Egyptians say the tunnels are illegal, too. n/t ColesCountyDem Aug 2014 #8

You mean Egyptian strong man, General Abdel Fattah el-Sisi says so cpwm17 Aug 2014 #9

Even though the Islamic Brotherhood said so. n/t ColesCountyDem Aug 2014 #23

Doesn't stop them being primarily for humanitarian imports intaglio Aug 2014 #10

Who says they're 'primarily for humanitarian imports'? ColesCountyDem Aug 2014 #24

Mainly the UN and the Palestinians intaglio Aug 2014 #26

Show me where the UN says that the tunnels are used primarily for 'humanitarian imports'. ColesCountyDem Aug 2014 #27

*crickets* n/t ColesCountyDem Sep 2014 #64

You mean shorter, in case you had trouble reading it was the shortages that are the issue Exultant Democracy Sep 2014 #59

I read quite well, thank you. ColesCountyDem Sep 2014 #63

Do you really doubt this is what Israel wants, and ahs planned? How obvious must it get? Threedifferentones Sep 2014 #65

These questions are complete non-sequiturs, in response to what I posted. n/t ColesCountyDem Sep 2014 #66

Post removed Post removed Sep 2014 #67

Assuming that housing isn't bombed or blown up as fast as it's built. Sancho Aug 2014 #2

Exactly what I was thinking. nt Chemisse Aug 2014 #29

Me too. GoneFishin Aug 2014 #51

Let me fix that for you. PDJane Aug 2014 #4

Aren't you the smug one. HERVEPA Aug 2014 #5

Not smug. Tired of the narrative that isn't and never was. PDJane Aug 2014 #32

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Looks like Hamas has some soul searching to do hack89 Aug 2014 #7

Perhaps Israel has some soul searching to do intaglio Aug 2014 #11

Yet the blockade was declared legal by one UN organization hack89 Aug 2014 #12

The blockade is a unilateral action intaglio Aug 2014 #13

But unilateral in response to an unilateral act of war hack89 Aug 2014 #19

Errr - totally and completely wrong intaglio Aug 2014 #21

Let s remember what history tells us about revolts hack89 Aug 2014 #22

And what happens when they try to extend the revolt? intaglio Aug 2014 #25

They get crushed hack89 Aug 2014 #28

So in your world might makes right intaglio Aug 2014 #35

There is a fundamental difference hack89 Aug 2014 #36

The people of Gaza have a way out??? intaglio Aug 2014 #37

There was no blockade before the rockets. No wall before the suicide bombers hack89 Aug 2014 #38

What a perfect mouthpiece for Israeli propaganda you are intaglio Aug 2014 #39

Does Hamas have the right to acquire whatever weapons they want? Yes or no. Nt hack89 Aug 2014 #40

Does Israeli have the right to acquire any weapon they want? intaglio Aug 2014 #41

So we have two states at war hack89 Aug 2014 #42

Well the alternative would be for Israel to stop its oppression of innocent Palestinians intaglio Aug 2014 #43

But the rockets have to stop first hack89 Aug 2014 #44

And Hamas would say the oppression has to stop first intaglio Aug 2014 #45

But Hamas is the weaker party hack89 Aug 2014 #46

So you are back with "might is right" again intaglio Aug 2014 #47

I suppose Israel could stop retaliating hack89 Aug 2014 #48

No. Might is often wrong hack89 Aug 2014 #49

Yeah, right intaglio Aug 2014 #50

Hamas has a long history of suicide terror attacks hack89 Aug 2014 #53

"Since it inception it has always been under Israeli control" King_David Sep 2014 #80

I did not say occupation intaglio Sep 2014 #81

Israel controlled Gaza whilst under Egyptian occupation King_David Sep 2014 #82

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Both Hamas and Israel need to do some but they both are assholes so they wont. eom cstanleytech Aug 2014 #18

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The Arab countries that support, fund and encourage Hamas should pay hack89 Aug 2014 #20

There are two portions of Hamas; the political wing and the military wing. PDJane Aug 2014 #33

No one forced Hamas to shoot rockets at Israel either. hack89 Aug 2014 #34

Your Zionist ideology is bankrupt. That land was theirs, not yours. PDJane Sep 2014 #54

I understand that you want Israel to disappear hack89 Sep 2014 #55

I am not a Zionist - I am an atheist. hack89 Sep 2014 #56

Then stop acting like a zionist. You fool, I am a Jew. Lapsed, but most of my family isn't. PDJane Sep 2014 #57

So tell me exactly what borders Israel should have hack89 Sep 2014 #58

Personally, I think that, if Israel can't live with its neighbours, PDJane Sep 2014 #61

I think partial RoR and reparations are the answer hack89 Sep 2014 #62

Perhaps. For the Palestinians, yes. PDJane Sep 2014 #68

The issue is not necessarily the West Bank hack89 Sep 2014 #69

That's if you listen to what Israel says, without actually paying attention to what Israel does. PDJane Sep 2014 #70

Judged by their actions the same can be said for the Palestinians hack89 Sep 2014 #71

You are forgetting something. You are forgetting that, PDJane Sep 2014 #72

Suicide bombings of buses and restaurants are not allowed by the Geneva conventions hack89 Sep 2014 #73

No, but Israel is. And Israel kills more Palestinians and restricts everything that gets into Gaza. PDJane Sep 2014 #75

So there is good Hamas and evil Hamas hack89 Sep 2014 #77

You just love to misinterpret things. PDJane Sep 2014 #83

Nothing in your lists says the Geneva conventions allow violence resistance to occupation hack89 Sep 2014 #84

The Geneva Conventions do not grant an explicit right to resist occupation hack89 Sep 2014 #79

+++ Chemisse Aug 2014 #30

but that was the point, wasn't it? nt MisterP Aug 2014 #31

That was the point. To repurpose the land for settlements, the existing structures must be removed. GoneFishin Aug 2014 #52

No it wasn't oberliner Sep 2014 #74

True Scootaloo Sep 2014 #76

Uh, no. joshcryer Sep 2014 #78

That is a very creative interpretation of reality Scootaloo Sep 2014 #85

It is very much the reality joshcryer Sep 2014 #86

Give it time. They have tipped their hand. It could not be any clearer. GoneFishin Sep 2014 #87

When I mow the grass there is a lot less ethnic cleansing involved. Exultant Democracy Sep 2014 #60