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In reply to the discussion: Ukraine Cites 15,000 Russian Troops and Rebels Amid Putin's 'Take Kiev' Remark [View all]pampango
(24,692 posts)13. The 15,000 figure seems to have come from a Russian NGO, Committee of Soldiers' Mothers.
Thousands of Russian soldiers sent to Ukraine, say Russian human rights groups.
Lyudmila Bogatenkova, head of Soldiers' Mothers in the southern Stavropol region, added: "A large number of people are dying." She said a hospital in the town of Rostov, close to the Ukrainian border, was "overflowing" with wounded soldiers. "Cargo-200 is coming from the Rostov range," she added, referring to the Russian military code for body bags.
Rights groups say that while papers accompanying dead bodies specify gunshot or shrapnel wounds as a cause of death, they do not say where they were sustained.
"These documents are astonishing. Instead of the place of death there is a blank space," Polyakova said. "We saw a similar picture in Chechnya."
Rights groups claim a pattern appears to be emerging: troops are sent on drills close to the border where they are told to change clothes and paint over identification numbers on their tanks before they are deployed to Ukraine. Their final destination appears to be a surprise to many personnel. "Commanders are not always bold enough to tell the truth," said Anatoly Salin, who fought in both Chechen wars and now works with Soldiers' Mothers in the southern Astrakhan region.
The justice ministry last week labelled Soldiers' Mothers of St Petersburg a foreign agent, a term thick with connotations of cold war espionage.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/01/russian-soldiers-ukraine-rights-groups
If your organization releases inconvenient information, you get labelled as a "foreign agent".
Lyudmila Bogatenkova, head of Soldiers' Mothers in the southern Stavropol region, added: "A large number of people are dying." She said a hospital in the town of Rostov, close to the Ukrainian border, was "overflowing" with wounded soldiers. "Cargo-200 is coming from the Rostov range," she added, referring to the Russian military code for body bags.
Rights groups say that while papers accompanying dead bodies specify gunshot or shrapnel wounds as a cause of death, they do not say where they were sustained.
"These documents are astonishing. Instead of the place of death there is a blank space," Polyakova said. "We saw a similar picture in Chechnya."
Rights groups claim a pattern appears to be emerging: troops are sent on drills close to the border where they are told to change clothes and paint over identification numbers on their tanks before they are deployed to Ukraine. Their final destination appears to be a surprise to many personnel. "Commanders are not always bold enough to tell the truth," said Anatoly Salin, who fought in both Chechen wars and now works with Soldiers' Mothers in the southern Astrakhan region.
The justice ministry last week labelled Soldiers' Mothers of St Petersburg a foreign agent, a term thick with connotations of cold war espionage.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/01/russian-soldiers-ukraine-rights-groups
If your organization releases inconvenient information, you get labelled as a "foreign agent".
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Ukraine Cites 15,000 Russian Troops and Rebels Amid Putin's 'Take Kiev' Remark [View all]
Purveyor
Sep 2014
OP
Russia conquered Crimea, supports the rebels, sent tanks, jokes about invading Kiev...
DetlefK
Sep 2014
#1
The 15,000 figure seems to have come from a Russian NGO, Committee of Soldiers' Mothers.
pampango
Sep 2014
#13
The analogy is preposterous. But that aside, Ukraine's government is democratically elected.
Tommy_Carcetti
Sep 2014
#21
You said there wasn't a democratically elected government in Ukraine. That's just not true.
Tommy_Carcetti
Sep 2014
#32
No one was disenfranchised by the Ukrainian government in the May presidential election.
Tommy_Carcetti
Sep 2014
#67
Except those pictures of ballot boxes with trash in them were just western propaganda
davidpdx
Sep 2014
#80
So who was the small group? And how was Yanukovych forcibly removed from the country? nt
Tommy_Carcetti
Sep 2014
#52
But a large group of soldiers' mothers may be able to piece together information from
pampango
Sep 2014
#18
And any effort to determine that number without the consent of the 'top military leadership' is
pampango
Sep 2014
#25
And who says that this "Committee of Soldiers' Mothers" is a funded by Western interests?
pampango
Sep 2014
#30
"Like I said, you choose to believe things that you want to be true. I am a skeptic."
pampango
Sep 2014
#40
Again you accuse the Russian NGO of being "Western aid-dependent" without offering any proof. Just
pampango
Sep 2014
#45
If you presume that Russians concerned with peace and human rights must be foreign-funded
pampango
Sep 2014
#62
That type of audit cannot happen. It is prohibited under the 2012 NGO law Putin signed.
pampango
Sep 2014
#69
And yet you were willing to accept an audit done by an international accounting firm.
pampango
Sep 2014
#73
"The credibility of the NGO's shall remain suspect." There is no proof you would accept otherwise
pampango
Sep 2014
#75
Until July 2012 it was perfectly legal for NGO's in Russia (as in all but the most authoritarian
pampango
Sep 2014
#70
Aw, Pootie, sweet sweet Pootie, I knew you'd finally invade when your hired goons couldn't
TwilightGardener
Sep 2014
#22