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cosmicone

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19. Now you're stretching it

Tue Sep 2, 2014, 02:03 PM

Sep 2014

Did any of the mothers in the UK or USA know how many troops were deployed in Iraq or Afghanistan to the closest 1,000?

It is impossible and therefore exact numbers coming from any source other than the top military leadership is propaganda.

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Ukraine Cites 15,000 Russian Troops and Rebels Amid Putin's 'Take Kiev' Remark [View all] Purveyor Sep 2014 OP

Russia conquered Crimea, supports the rebels, sent tanks, jokes about invading Kiev... DetlefK Sep 2014 #1

Of course, who wouldn't believe.... ballyhoo Sep 2014 #2

A close friend who is from Poland is watching this very closely. Javaman Sep 2014 #3

A little premature. Poland is not a Russian border country... ballyhoo Sep 2014 #5

No but it's on the border of the Ukraine. nt Javaman Sep 2014 #6

Putin is not interested in West Ukraine. ballyhoo Sep 2014 #10

So he says.... IronGate Sep 2014 #12

Ah yes. Anyone who disagrees is a "pootie-lover" Scootaloo Sep 2014 #26

I'm not calling you a Putin lover, IronGate Sep 2014 #28

I was referring to what you said to Ballyhoo, actually Scootaloo Sep 2014 #29

Fine. Let's try an experiment... Javaman Sep 2014 #31

The modern Russians are peaceful. This is not the Cold War again...yet. ballyhoo Sep 2014 #33

... Javaman Sep 2014 #34

Putin has an 87-88 percent popularity in Russia and a 67 percent popularity ballyhoo Sep 2014 #36

peaceful and smart never go hand in hand. Javaman Sep 2014 #44

About 15-20 now. ballyhoo Sep 2014 #47

15-20 what? Javaman Sep 2014 #65

Post removed Post removed Sep 2014 #81

The last fascist fool to invade Poland paid for that mistake dearly. roamer65 Sep 2014 #60

Indeed, we are being 'played' yet again by the 'war party'. earthside Sep 2014 #4

They're recycling Bush Era propaganda tactics CJCRANE Sep 2014 #7

Excellent, Earthside...they keep ruminating over Putin is ballyhoo Sep 2014 #9

war what is it good for absolutely nothing Billy Budd Sep 2014 #11

No one is saying Scott6113 Sep 2014 #41

Yes jamzrockz Sep 2014 #46

clever misinformation cosmicone Sep 2014 #8

The 15,000 figure seems to have come from a Russian NGO, Committee of Soldiers' Mothers. pampango Sep 2014 #13

The same logic applies cosmicone Sep 2014 #14

Lol, its always funny jamzrockz Sep 2014 #15

Ukraine has a democratically elected government. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #16

Just imagine this jamzrockz Sep 2014 #17

They won't get it n/t cosmicone Sep 2014 #20

The analogy is preposterous. But that aside, Ukraine's government is democratically elected. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #21

The problem is that the people jamzrockz Sep 2014 #23

You said there wasn't a democratically elected government in Ukraine. That's just not true. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #32

What was the voter turnout in eastern Ukaraine? ozone_man Sep 2014 #63

No one was disenfranchised by the Ukrainian government in the May presidential election. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #67

Except those pictures of ballot boxes with trash in them were just western propaganda davidpdx Sep 2014 #80

Just imagine a non-sequitor. OilemFirchen Sep 2014 #55

Can you tell me what part of jamzrockz Sep 2014 #56

Ukraine It had a Democratically electected pre Coup too Billy Budd Sep 2014 #37

And your proof of such a "coup"? nt Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #38

which one ...which country Billy Budd Sep 2014 #39

Ukraine, silly. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #42

you define it then what was it Billy Budd Sep 2014 #49

I'll let Webster's define it for me. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #50

sounds like the kiev thing Billy Budd Sep 2014 #51

So who was the small group? And how was Yanukovych forcibly removed from the country? nt Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #52

that is a question for Billy Budd Sep 2014 #53

So in other words, you don't know.... Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #54

that is your Billy Budd Sep 2014 #58

How did the actual coup happen?!?!? Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #61

"Most likely controlled by western govt's" geek tragedy Sep 2014 #24

But a large group of soldiers' mothers may be able to piece together information from pampango Sep 2014 #18

Now you're stretching it cosmicone Sep 2014 #19

And any effort to determine that number without the consent of the 'top military leadership' is pampango Sep 2014 #25

You're putting words in my mouth (or keyboard) that I didn't type cosmicone Sep 2014 #27

And who says that this "Committee of Soldiers' Mothers" is a funded by Western interests? pampango Sep 2014 #30

Has anyone actually seen 200+ death certificates cosmicone Sep 2014 #35

"Like I said, you choose to believe things that you want to be true. I am a skeptic." pampango Sep 2014 #40

Climate change and forensic evidence is not subjective cosmicone Sep 2014 #43

Again you accuse the Russian NGO of being "Western aid-dependent" without offering any proof. Just pampango Sep 2014 #45

I'd like to see the audited financial statements cosmicone Sep 2014 #48

If you presume that Russians concerned with peace and human rights must be foreign-funded pampango Sep 2014 #62

No. cosmicone Sep 2014 #64

That type of audit cannot happen. It is prohibited under the 2012 NGO law Putin signed. pampango Sep 2014 #69

awwwww too bad cosmicone Sep 2014 #71

And yet you were willing to accept an audit done by an international accounting firm. pampango Sep 2014 #73

A lot of rhetoricical conjectures but no proof that cosmicone Sep 2014 #74

"The credibility of the NGO's shall remain suspect." There is no proof you would accept otherwise pampango Sep 2014 #75

There is another point of view cosmicone Sep 2014 #76

Here's my response to your 4 points. pampango Sep 2014 #77

Would their own words suffice? reorg Sep 2014 #68

Until July 2012 it was perfectly legal for NGO's in Russia (as in all but the most authoritarian pampango Sep 2014 #70

it is still perfectly legal to receive foreign funding reorg Sep 2014 #79

Aw, Pootie, sweet sweet Pootie, I knew you'd finally invade when your hired goons couldn't TwilightGardener Sep 2014 #22

You realize how childish you sound? "Pootie, sweet sweet Pootie.." (Yeah say it aloud!) elias49 Sep 2014 #57

Sweet Beloved Pootie. TwilightGardener Sep 2014 #59

pootie poot poot! nt Javaman Sep 2014 #66

+1,000,000 n/t cosmicone Sep 2014 #72

Poor misunderstood Putin.. EX500rider Sep 2014 #78